fish finder

Simon wrote:

you missed out a piece of foil twisted around the line next to the reel



Hmmmmmmmmm. I have fished off and on over the last 35 years. Recently got
into carp and bought sensibly priced gear (still cost more than 3/6). I
have caught some nice fish but my 2 best carp were before I bought the gear:

1. Ledgering using a 9' split cane rod (30 years old) with silver foil as
indicator.
2. Surface with hook and bread flake.

Both traditional and modern methods have their place but I can empathize
with the comments supporting the traditional methods. I do believe bait
boats and fish finders are going OTT. You can't beat a worm at the end of a
rusty safety pin ;-)

Just my 5 cents.

--
Georgie
"Simon Atkinson" wrote in message
...

"Phil.L" wrote in message
...
Simon Atkinson wrote:
: "Phil.L" wrote in message
: ...
:: Laffinkitten wrote:
::: what''s wrong with virtual fishing?
::
:: nothing, and i never implied there was.
:: but as compared to the real thing its no substitute.
::
::
: but as a tool for searching out features such as snags and the make
: up of the bed I can see the use of it, no dragging a lead covered in
: weed spooking fish, it would be a visible marker on the surface so
: you will know exactly the location of the features and if you fish
: some of the smaller older pools not the usual gravel pits there are
: often submerged trees etc where a lead snags and often has to be
: pulled for a break you could accurately find the areas where you
: could fish safely.

they may have a small amount of fans who've just forked out a fortune to
buy
them, but they wont become commonplace, simply because a lot of anglers
(most in my opinion) fish the same places time and again, and once they
'know' what the water is like, maybe after one or two uses, it will be
left
in the shed, or in the small ads in the local rag for a fiver.

I agree most anglers fish the same lakes, the same swims in the same
lakes,
to the same feature in the same swims in the same lakes or three rods
fanned
out cast as far as possible in the same swims in the same lakes (getting
repetative but the point is there)

:
: I know we are talking gadgets here but I've seen pole fishers use fish
: finders and I'm sure once people scoffed at bite alarms when swing
: tips were satisfactory.

swing tips are still satisfactory, as are baitrunners without alarms,
and
for that matter an old washing-up liquid bottle top.
they all do the same thing, IE, let you know you've got a bite, the only
thing they dont do is let everyone else know youve got a bite.

you missed out a piece of foil twisted around the line next to the reel

That said, bite alarms are a bonus for night fishing, but other than
that,
they fall nicely into the 'useless gadget' dept.

: Even the guy who reviewed it for the AT (who
: I suggest is a competent angler) found a couple of fish holding
: features on his local river that he did not know before, it is just a
: tool, a aid to fishing and as a tool I can see a swim being mapped
: out quicker and easier allowing more time to fish.

i wouldnt read too much into ATs reviews, as i've been getting it for
years
and i've yet to read a bad one.
They get paid a lot of money for 'reviewing' new products and almost
always
give the product in question a brilliant write up, then when you buy it,
it
turns out to be a pile of crap.



Is it me or does any one else find some of the posts a little bit cynical?
In stead of looking for good points people seem to be too interested in
slagging off.

Well looks like all the fun is going out of this sport ..I'm of to the Army
/Navy store for a submarine and a anti tank gun ....and I bet I still wont
break the 10 pound barrier anyone want to buy a old fashioned rod an reel
....lol


"Georgina" wrote in message
...
Simon wrote:

you missed out a piece of foil twisted around the line next to the reel



Hmmmmmmmmm. I have fished off and on over the last 35 years. Recently
got
into carp and bought sensibly priced gear (still cost more than 3/6). I
have caught some nice fish but my 2 best carp were before I bought the
gear:

1. Ledgering using a 9' split cane rod (30 years old) with silver foil
as
indicator.
2. Surface with hook and bread flake.

Both traditional and modern methods have their place but I can empathize
with the comments supporting the traditional methods. I do believe bait
boats and fish finders are going OTT. You can't beat a worm at the end of
a
rusty safety pin ;-)

Just my 5 cents.

--
Georgie
"Simon Atkinson" wrote in message
...

"Phil.L" wrote in message
...
Simon Atkinson wrote:
: "Phil.L" wrote in message
: ...
:: Laffinkitten wrote:
::: what''s wrong with virtual fishing?
::
:: nothing, and i never implied there was.
:: but as compared to the real thing its no substitute.
::
::
: but as a tool for searching out features such as snags and the make
: up of the bed I can see the use of it, no dragging a lead covered in
: weed spooking fish, it would be a visible marker on the surface so
: you will know exactly the location of the features and if you fish
: some of the smaller older pools not the usual gravel pits there are
: often submerged trees etc where a lead snags and often has to be
: pulled for a break you could accurately find the areas where you
: could fish safely.

they may have a small amount of fans who've just forked out a fortune
to
buy
them, but they wont become commonplace, simply because a lot of
anglers
(most in my opinion) fish the same places time and again, and once
they
'know' what the water is like, maybe after one or two uses, it will be
left
in the shed, or in the small ads in the local rag for a fiver.

I agree most anglers fish the same lakes, the same swims in the same
lakes,
to the same feature in the same swims in the same lakes or three rods
fanned
out cast as far as possible in the same swims in the same lakes (getting
repetative but the point is there)

:
: I know we are talking gadgets here but I've seen pole fishers use
fish
: finders and I'm sure once people scoffed at bite alarms when swing
: tips were satisfactory.

swing tips are still satisfactory, as are baitrunners without alarms,
and
for that matter an old washing-up liquid bottle top.
they all do the same thing, IE, let you know you've got a bite, the
only
thing they dont do is let everyone else know youve got a bite.

you missed out a piece of foil twisted around the line next to the reel

That said, bite alarms are a bonus for night fishing, but other than
that,
they fall nicely into the 'useless gadget' dept.

: Even the guy who reviewed it for the AT (who
: I suggest is a competent angler) found a couple of fish holding
: features on his local river that he did not know before, it is just
a
: tool, a aid to fishing and as a tool I can see a swim being mapped
: out quicker and easier allowing more time to fish.

i wouldnt read too much into ATs reviews, as i've been getting it for
years
and i've yet to read a bad one.
They get paid a lot of money for 'reviewing' new products and almost
always
give the product in question a brilliant write up, then when you buy
it,
it
turns out to be a pile of crap.



Is it me or does any one else find some of the posts a little bit
cynical?
In stead of looking for good points people seem to be too interested in
slagging off.

"Michael" wrote in message
...
Well looks like all the fun is going out of this sport

FOR SALE/SWAP.
'Vigilante' Specimen-Pro electronic bite alarm (with handy Snooze-button
feature).
25p o.n.o.

Full set of camouflage clothing (jacket, trousers & hat).
Swap for similar in grey. Hey! If it works for Herons ......

Ronco All-in-one anglers outfit (rod, reel, hooks, weights, line, umbrella,
keep & landing nets). Fits in your top pocket.
Christmas present bought for me by deranged wife.
£5 o.n.o. and I'll throw in the Ronco for free.

new rules for all anglers, every one must now use only split cane rods and
cat gut as all other materials have been deemed to give the angler an unfair
advantage over the fish however the use of hazel branches is an acceptable
alternative to split cane.

Anyone who fishes is to only wear brown cord trousers (tucked into their
socks) and tweed jackets, and a soft floppy cap if required

Found this on the sea group. the split cane mob will have a fit.

From: "Jhonathon Appleby"
Subject: Kite Fishing
Date: 03 October 2003 03:17

Hi there everyone. Have been searching for kite fishing groups, and
came across alot of people unsure of exactly what kite fishing is all
about. Here is some information from Sea Eagle Kites in New Zealand.

Kite Fishing:
In simple terms, kite fishers utilise the power and direction of the
wind to power a Sea Eagle fishing kite from the beach out to sea where
the big fish are found. Sea Eagle Kites will tow up to 2000 metres of
main line out to sea. The fisher, along with the main line reel,
remains on the beach with the family or friends.

Along with the main line, the kite takes with it up to 24 hooks which
glide along the sea bed and await hungry fish to catch themselves on
the special Japanese long line hooks supplied with all Sea Eagle Kites
complete fishing rigs.

Sea Eagle Kites can be tacked up to 40 degrees either side of the
actual wind direction, thereby providing numerous opportunities to
fish even when the wind is blowing up or down the beach.

Sea Eagle kites are made from high quality PU coated ripstop nylon
fabric, and can be supplied with a range of spar options from
fibreglass rods, through to high tech, super light carbon fibre tube.
Construction of the kites is such that the usual problems associated
with fishing kites, such as seam wear and fraying, are all but totally
eliminated.

Sea Eagle kite fishing rigs come complete. All you need to supply is
the bait, and a 4 litre plastic bottle. We even supply the fish bin to
take your catch home in. Whether a dropper rig ideally suited to West
Coast deep-water areas, or a long line rig for the East Coast beaches,
Sea Eagle gear will catch the big ones for you.

Sea Eagle Kites can also be used to tow out live baits that skip
across the top of the water and create the illusion of a wounded bait
fish. Any predator fish below will be attracted to the
“wounded” baitfish and attack it. You can also use salt
water flies, trolling lures, and poppers. A great way to catch Kahawai
and King Fish or other game fish.

All Sea Eagle fishing gear is of the highest standards. A complete rig
is designed with a built in Progressive Breakaway System that allows
for the least amount of lost gear due to snagging on seabed
obstructions. All Sea Eagle kites use a double safety trace system
which allows for the wind to build whilst the kite is out working, yet
wont plunge the kite into the sea when hit by a strong gust of wind.

All clips, swivels and other hardware are “over specified”
to ensure break away due to gear failure is minimized.


Contact Details
Sales and Support
Ph 64-9-818 1089
The Beach
021-217 6893
Email

Simon Atkinson wrote:
: new rules for all anglers, every one must now use only split cane
: rods and cat gut as all other materials have been deemed to give the
: angler an unfair advantage over the fish however the use of hazel
: branches is an acceptable alternative to split cane.
:
: Anyone who fishes is to only wear brown cord trousers (tucked into
: their socks) and tweed jackets, and a soft floppy cap if required

hope your not being cynical there, Simon?
:-)

PS theres not *only* two types of angler, -
1) goes fishing with over 8k worth of tackle including fishfinders,
baitboats, bite alarms and many other expensive items.
2) goes with a broom handle, string, bent pin and bucket of worms.

There are thousands of 'middlemen' who have *some* bits of fancy gadgetry
*along with* old fashioned techniques, these are the forward thinking
anglers, who over the years have accepted new tackle, only when its proved
its worth.
If something they've had in their box for over 30 years still does what it
was made to do, why change it?
I'm not one to shun a piece of new tackle simply because i think its not
going to work, i look at what others do and what works.
Let me ask you this, considering you've been an angler for a long time, and
these fishfinders have been about for at least a decade, how many times have
you seen anyone use one?
If they did what they are meant to do, everyone would have one.

Beleive me, i could think up a piece of crap like this, get a patent on it,
get it manufactured and some anglers would buy it if they were told it would
catch them more fish, whether it actually did or not is irrelevant, because
when tackle companies produce anything at all, they dont have to prove that
it works, they only have to make you think that it does.

BTW, i already have a fishfinder, in fact i have two, as the fish i go for
(carp) are usually visible when near the surface, and when bottom feeding,
theres also visible signs that they are disturbing the bottom.

PS theres not *only* two types of angler, -
1) goes fishing with over 8k worth of tackle including fishfinders,
baitboats, bite alarms and many other expensive items.
2) goes with a broom handle, string, bent pin and bucket of worms.

There are thousands of 'middlemen' who have *some* bits of fancy gadgetry
*along with* old fashioned techniques, these are the forward thinking
anglers, who over the years have accepted new tackle, only when its proved
its worth.
If something they've had in their box for over 30 years still does what it
was made to do, why change it?
I'm not one to shun a piece of new tackle simply because i think its not
going to work, i look at what others do and what works.
Let me ask you this, considering you've been an angler for a long time,
and
these fishfinders have been about for at least a decade, how many times
have
you seen anyone use one?
If they did what they are meant to do, everyone would have one.

Beleive me, i could think up a piece of crap like this, get a patent on
it,
get it manufactured and some anglers would buy it if they were told it
would
catch them more fish, whether it actually did or not is irrelevant,
because
when tackle companies produce anything at all, they dont have to prove
that
it works, they only have to make you think that it does.

BTW, i already have a fishfinder, in fact i have two, as the fish i go for
(carp) are usually visible when near the surface, and when bottom feeding,
theres also visible signs that they are disturbing the bottom.



I have seen fishfinders user on the banks but generally by matchmen who seem
to be preparing for a match and are 'scoping' out the water, they fix a
transducer at the end of one of their poles and watch the fish passing
through a swim and their reaction to the bait, the one featured in AT was
the first time that I have seen one that has taken the next step using
wireless technology so that it could be cast from a rod and the fact that
they had given the option of being able to suspend a bait from it seemed to
me to be that someone was actually thinking about the variety of uses that
this could encompass where as the fish finders in general are designed for
use attached to a boat and have been adapted, I would be pretty sure that
they have been used before to discover the actions of fish to bait landing
on the surface and the difference between scattered loose feed and a ball of
ground bait on different venues because the fish are a trapped species and
fish in one place may act differently from those in another, just as one
type of bait can be effective in one venue but not another.

But at the end of the day these fish finders are only a tool, an aid to
fishing, and they will not directly help you to catch fish, and in my
opinion anything that states it can should be avoided, but they could help
you understand the venue and fish therein better.

I still think that this 'gadget' has its uses and like all aids if used
correctly would be of great benefit, but I doubt it will catch on as most
will avoid it either believing all gadgets take away the pleasure of fishing
or just too embarrassed to use it on the bank, will I buy one -no probably
not- fishing to me is my hobby, my get away from it all, and like most its
on a budget but if I see one in the free ads for a fiver I think I'll snap
it up, if I ever see one on the bank I would be very interested in it.