Seal hunt begins; IFAW bears witness

Maybe you can try to get your Prime Minister to follow international law
and not go around invading other countries that are of no threat.
Then maybe you can get your Prime Minister to stop buddying around with
dictators like Ghadaffi.
Then maybe you can complain about our country.

pearl wrote:

"Daniel Audet" wrote in message
m...


I find it funny that the group based out of England/ Ireland cannot get the
people of ireland to stop fighting each other, maiming and killing humans,



We're at least trying.



but are willing to try dammaging the way of life for some Canadians. They do
this by stating Canada isn't following European law. Maybe he should look
up where Canada is on a map.



The objection arises because of the cruelty, which is an obvious
serious breaching of humane conduct. Humanity everywhere is
objecting very strongly, and your refusal to listen harms you too.



Here's a hint. It's part of North America, not Europe. These people who
struggle to make a living in a repressed economy are not subjects of
England, not subject to European law and well within their rights to perform
their harvesting.
Work toward saving people from harm before destroying the livelyhoods of
others.

Dan.



'In 2001 UK tourists spent the equivalent of 1.026 billion Canadian
dollars - this is a massive source of income to Canada. Whereas the
seal hunt, by contrast, is a volatile industry and although accurate
figures are hard to come by it is estimated to be worth approximately
only Can $6 million.

The hunt is actually heavily subsidised by the Canadian Government
and when the subsidies are taken into account it is worth closer to just
Can $3 million. '
http://www.boycott-canada.com/

- Boycott is a predictable enough reaction.

Observe http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/236982184 ,
and see the impact this is having on your country. People love
seals- they are regarded as inquisitive, friendly and intelligent
creatures. I'm sure you could earn a little extra cash welcoming
eco-friendly tourism in the area. - Just think- you are actually
slaughtering one of your area's best tourist $$$s earner assets!

Agreed!, but two wrongs don't make a right you know. You've NO excuses, either.
"Tim" wrote in message news Maybe you can try to get your Prime Minister to follow international law and not go around invading other countries that are of no threat.
Then maybe you can get your Prime Minister to stop buddying around with dictators like Ghadaffi.
Then maybe you can complain about our country.

pearl wrote:

"Daniel Audet" wrote in message
...
I find it funny that the group based out of England/ Ireland cannot get the
people of ireland to stop fighting each other, maiming and killing humans,

We're at least trying.

but are willing to try dammaging the way of life for some Canadians. They do
this by stating Canada isn't following European law. Maybe he should look
up where Canada is on a map.

The objection arises because of the cruelty, which is an obvious
serious breaching of humane conduct. Humanity everywhere is
objecting very strongly, and your refusal to listen harms you too.

Here's a hint. It's part of North America, not Europe. These people who
struggle to make a living in a repressed economy are not subjects of
England, not subject to European law and well within their rights to perform
their harvesting.
Work toward saving people from harm before destroying the livelyhoods of
others.

Dan.

'In 2001 UK tourists spent the equivalent of 1.026 billion Canadian
dollars - this is a massive source of income to Canada. Whereas the
seal hunt, by contrast, is a volatile industry and although accurate
figures are hard to come by it is estimated to be worth approximately
only Can $6 million.

The hunt is actually heavily subsidised by the Canadian Government
and when the subsidies are taken into account it is worth closer to just
Can $3 million. '
http://www.boycott-canada.com/

- Boycott is a predictable enough reaction.

Observe http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/236982184 ,
and see the impact this is having on your country. People love
seals- they are regarded as inquisitive, friendly and intelligent
creatures. I'm sure you could earn a little extra cash welcoming
eco-friendly tourism in the area. - Just think- you are actually
slaughtering one of your area's best tourist $$$s earner assets!

So, would you be happy if they killed them the same way they kill cows?

pearl wrote:

Agreed!, but two wrongs don't make a right you know. You've NO
excuses, either.

"Tim"
wrote in message news Maybe you can try to get your Prime Minister to follow
international law and not go around invading other countries that
are of no threat.
Then maybe you can get your Prime Minister to stop buddying around
with dictators like Ghadaffi.
Then maybe you can complain about our country.

pearl wrote:

"Daniel Audet" wrote in message
om...


I find it funny that the group based out of England/ Ireland cannot get the
people of ireland to stop fighting each other, maiming and killing humans,



We're at least trying.



but are willing to try dammaging the way of life for some Canadians. They do
this by stating Canada isn't following European law. Maybe he should look
up where Canada is on a map.



The objection arises because of the cruelty, which is an obvious
serious breaching of humane conduct. Humanity everywhere is
objecting very strongly, and your refusal to listen harms you too.



Here's a hint. It's part of North America, not Europe. These people who
struggle to make a living in a repressed economy are not subjects of
England, not subject to European law and well within their rights to perform
their harvesting.
Work toward saving people from harm before destroying the livelyhoods of
others.

Dan.



'In 2001 UK tourists spent the equivalent of 1.026 billion Canadian
dollars - this is a massive source of income to Canada. Whereas the
seal hunt, by contrast, is a volatile industry and although accurate
figures are hard to come by it is estimated to be worth approximately
only Can $6 million.

The hunt is actually heavily subsidised by the Canadian Government
and when the subsidies are taken into account it is worth closer to just
Can $3 million. '
http://www.boycott-canada.com/

- Boycott is a predictable enough reaction.

Observe http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/236982184 ,
and see the impact this is having on your country. People love
seals- they are regarded as inquisitive, friendly and intelligent
creatures. I'm sure you could earn a little extra cash welcoming
eco-friendly tourism in the area. - Just think- you are actually
slaughtering one of your area's best tourist $$$s earner assets!

"Tim" wrote in message ...

So, would you be happy if they killed them the same way they kill cows?

No, indeed not. Most 'livestock' suffers considerably up to, and also
at slaughter. As you can see, this has been addressed elsewhere..

Comment
From Jim Harrington
4-15-4
http://rense.com/general51/slscmm.htm

To those who have had their eyes and hearts opened by the seal hunt,
as a volunteer for my local Humane Society, I just want to assure them
that many, many people have worked on this issue over many years.
There is a growing push in the media towards fur fashion again, and an
expert on the fur issue reassures me that it is the gasping of a dying
industry. However, for those who are truly sickened by this treatment
of animals, there are many, many unseen atrocities being committed
that are blacked out by the media. Most notably in the meat industry.

Factory farming is one of the most horrifying practices that humanity
has come up with in recent decades. This last week we in British
Columbia have witnessed the slaughter of 19 million farm birds
because a few have exhibited signs of the flu. Several humans came
down with sore eyes and runny noses, and so 19 million birds were
slaughtered. The birds must be replaced quickly, to meet consumer
needs. Big opposition is occuring as no one wants the corpses
disposed in 'their back yard'. As with the heaping charred bodies
of cattle in Britain during the mad cow crisis (brought on by feeding
cattle parts to cattle) I wondered, WHERE IS THE OPPOSITION
to the 'cull'. The careless mass 'disposal' of another species made
sick by our own farming practices. In Asia recently, these ill and
healthy birds alike were violently grabbed and crammed mercilessly
into bags to be buried alive en masse. Shown repeatedly on
mainstream news.

There are many websites available to educate ourselves on the
inhuman treatment of animals. Factory farming is no less horrible
than the seal hunt. If we are truly affected by the mindset of a person
clubbing a seal to death with a pick, let us make each other aware
that this issue is but a speck on the radar. That our barbeques and
frying pans contain the results of no less brutal acts. ..'
http://rense.com/general51/slscmm.htm

I'll be happy when animals aren't killed at all, at least not
avoidably, without really very good reason,- i.e. survival.

Native Wisdom;

'The Circle of Life includes all plants, animals, fish, birds, insects,
humans. The only aspect of the circle that is not essential to life
is the human aspect "I mentioned the sacred circle of life. If you
can imagine a circle, in that circle are the people, plants, animals,
birds, fish, and insects. The Native belief is that if you damage
anything within that sacred circle of life, eventually you damage
yourself. If you take any one of those items, animals, out of the
sacred circle of life--everything would die. If you take out the
insects, eventually everything will die. If you take out the plants,
eventually everything will die. If you take out the fish, eventually
everything will die. What would happen if you take the humans
out of the sacred circle of life? What would happen then?
Nothing. We are the least important in that sacred circle of life.
The ancient beliefs are that we were the last to come along. The
animals, plants, fish, birds and insects didn't depend on us. Our
lives depend on a harmonious relationship with everything within
the sacred circle of life. That's the basis of Native spirituality.
It's not a worship of animals. It is a relationship, a strong feeling
with the natural world." Butch Phillips, Penobscot Indian Nation.'

http://www.nativescience.org/assets/...PlanWRKSHP.pdf

"pearl" wrote in message
...
"Tim" wrote in message
...

So, would you be happy if they killed them the same way they kill cows?

No, indeed not. Most 'livestock' suffers considerably up to, and also
at slaughter. As you can see, this has been addressed elsewhere..

So stop eating, you dumb limey.

pearl wrote:

"Tim" wrote in message ...



So, would you be happy if they killed them the same way they kill cows?



No, indeed not. Most 'livestock' suffers considerably up to, and also
at slaughter. As you can see, this has been addressed elsewhere..



So then we should be boycotting every nation that slaughters cows as well?

Comment
From Jim Harrington
4-15-4
http://rense.com/general51/slscmm.htm

To those who have had their eyes and hearts opened by the seal hunt,
as a volunteer for my local Humane Society, I just want to assure them
that many, many people have worked on this issue over many years.
There is a growing push in the media towards fur fashion again, and an
expert on the fur issue reassures me that it is the gasping of a dying
industry. However, for those who are truly sickened by this treatment
of animals, there are many, many unseen atrocities being committed
that are blacked out by the media. Most notably in the meat industry.

Factory farming is one of the most horrifying practices that humanity
has come up with in recent decades. This last week we in British
Columbia have witnessed the slaughter of 19 million farm birds
because a few have exhibited signs of the flu. Several humans came
down with sore eyes and runny noses, and so 19 million birds were
slaughtered. The birds must be replaced quickly, to meet consumer
needs. Big opposition is occuring as no one wants the corpses
disposed in 'their back yard'. As with the heaping charred bodies
of cattle in Britain during the mad cow crisis (brought on by feeding
cattle parts to cattle) I wondered, WHERE IS THE OPPOSITION
to the 'cull'. The careless mass 'disposal' of another species made
sick by our own farming practices. In Asia recently, these ill and
healthy birds alike were violently grabbed and crammed mercilessly
into bags to be buried alive en masse. Shown repeatedly on
mainstream news.

There are many websites available to educate ourselves on the
inhuman treatment of animals. Factory farming is no less horrible
than the seal hunt. If we are truly affected by the mindset of a person
clubbing a seal to death with a pick, let us make each other aware
that this issue is but a speck on the radar. That our barbeques and
frying pans contain the results of no less brutal acts. ..'
http://rense.com/general51/slscmm.htm

I'll be happy when animals aren't killed at all, at least not
avoidably, without really very good reason,- i.e. survival.

Native Wisdom;

'The Circle of Life includes all plants, animals, fish, birds, insects,
humans. The only aspect of the circle that is not essential to life
is the human aspect "I mentioned the sacred circle of life. If you
can imagine a circle, in that circle are the people, plants, animals,
birds, fish, and insects. The Native belief is that if you damage
anything within that sacred circle of life, eventually you damage
yourself. If you take any one of those items, animals, out of the
sacred circle of life--everything would die. If you take out the
insects, eventually everything will die. If you take out the plants,
eventually everything will die. If you take out the fish, eventually
everything will die. What would happen if you take the humans
out of the sacred circle of life? What would happen then?
Nothing. We are the least important in that sacred circle of life.
The ancient beliefs are that we were the last to come along. The
animals, plants, fish, birds and insects didn't depend on us. Our
lives depend on a harmonious relationship with everything within
the sacred circle of life. That's the basis of Native spirituality.
It's not a worship of animals. It is a relationship, a strong feeling
with the natural world." Butch Phillips, Penobscot Indian Nation.'

http://www.nativescience.org/assets/...PlanWRKSHP.pdf

"Tim" wrote in message .. .
pearl wrote:
"Tim" wrote in message ...

So, would you be happy if they killed them the same way they kill cows?

No, indeed not. Most 'livestock' suffers considerably up to, and also
at slaughter. As you can see, this has been addressed elsewhere..

So then we should be boycotting every nation that slaughters cows as well?

The massive reaction against the seal killing is mostly because it
is _extremely_ cruel-, and carried out on a massive scale too.
Many seals suffer in indescribably awful ways, and such scenes
have been put into full public view this year. Faced with images
of extreme cruelty, people have been badly shocked and then
outraged, and that is, understandably, directed at the country
that carries out this horror. Were the realities of 'meat production'
made public in a similar manner, I think that most people would
be similarly compelled to oppose that, and would be boycotting
the meat industry by abstaining from meat - especially when
properly informed with the facts about nutrition- that we're not
a naturally carnivorous species anyway.. (clue: we're primates).

..

"pearl" wrote in message
...
"Tim" wrote in message
.. .
pearl wrote:

The massive reaction against the seal killing is mostly because it
is _extremely_ cruel-,

Bull****. It's no more cruel than any other kind of hunt, no more cruel than
how we kill horses or cattle or chickens. The reaction is because they're
cuuuuuuuuuuuuutttteeeee.

and carried out on a massive scale too.

A miniscule fraction of the scale of fish killed, or cattle, or sheep, or
chickens

This crap against seal harvesting is obviously posted by
professional agitators employed to erode Canadian sovereignty. It is
all emotive argument and propaganda, with no basis in reality.

Seals are part of the food chain. Humans eat seals. Seals eat fish.
Seals carry the worm that kills codfish and others. They are
predators in competition with humans, and need to be harvested in
reasonable proportion to the fish we harvest to eat, if the natural
balance is to be restored.

European draggers are killing the fish and spoiling the breeding
grounds for fish near the North American shelf. The bycatch is
wasted in appalling quantity. It amounts to an undermining of the
Canadian food chain, akin to the slaughter of the buffalo
perpetrated by newly arrived europeans hundreds of years ago.

This economic war we suffer from in so many areas (oil, wood,
potatoes, cattle, wheat, water, electricity, etc., etc.) is
conducted by wily, rich europeans who want to ruin the Canadian
economy so they can buy Canada at a discount and then exploit it as
they have exploited europe. They want to make Canada as devoid of
nature as western europe has become.

They do not like that Canadians are about the last nation on earth
where people are still somewhat free from overbearing governmental
control exercised on behalf of gigantic conscienceless corporations
who do not respect the sovereignty of free men, but are geared to
dominate and enslave all free men for only profit.

It is far more merciful to kill seals quickly, with a gun or club
than it is to let them eventually starve, having eaten all of our
fish, suffer disease, or be torn apart as playthings by voracious
dolphins, sharks and killer whales, with no benefit to native
peoples, who have been subsisting on the seal and what fish remains
for millennia, as is their natural right.

Sealskin makes excellent leather. Seal meat is excellent not only
for pet and working dogs' food, but also for people who have the
opportunity to enjoy it. Seal oil is superior to mineral oil for
many uses, and may soon become economically more profitable than
escalating oil in an artificially manipulated market.

Canadians spend more tourist dollars in europe than europeans spend
in Canada.

We should stop going there.

Terry K

pearl wrote:
Agreed!, but two wrongs don't make a right you know. You've NO excuses,
either.

"Tim" wrote
in message news Maybe you can try to get your Prime Minister to follow international
law and not go around invading other countries that are of no threat.
Then maybe you can get your Prime Minister to stop buddying around
with dictators like Ghadaffi.
Then maybe you can complain about our country.

pearl wrote:

"Daniel Audet" wrote in message
om...


I find it funny that the group based out of England/ Ireland cannot get the
people of ireland to stop fighting each other, maiming and killing humans,



We're at least trying.



but are willing to try dammaging the way of life for some Canadians. They do
this by stating Canada isn't following European law. Maybe he should look
up where Canada is on a map.



The objection arises because of the cruelty, which is an obvious
serious breaching of humane conduct. Humanity everywhere is
objecting very strongly, and your refusal to listen harms you too.



Here's a hint. It's part of North America, not Europe. These people who
struggle to make a living in a repressed economy are not subjects of
England, not subject to European law and well within their rights to perform
their harvesting.
Work toward saving people from harm before destroying the livelyhoods of
others.

Dan.



'In 2001 UK tourists spent the equivalent of 1.026 billion Canadian
dollars - this is a massive source of income to Canada. Whereas the
seal hunt, by contrast, is a volatile industry and although accurate
figures are hard to come by it is estimated to be worth approximately
only Can $6 million.

The hunt is actually heavily subsidised by the Canadian Government
and when the subsidies are taken into account it is worth closer to just
Can $3 million. '
http://www.boycott-canada.com/

- Boycott is a predictable enough reaction.

Observe http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/236982184 ,
and see the impact this is having on your country. People love
seals- they are regarded as inquisitive, friendly and intelligent
creatures. I'm sure you could earn a little extra cash welcoming
eco-friendly tourism in the area. - Just think- you are actually
slaughtering one of your area's best tourist $$$s earner assets!

"Terry Spragg" wrote in message
t.cable.rogers.com...

This crap against seal harvesting is obviously posted by
professional agitators employed to erode Canadian sovereignty. It is
all emotive argument and propaganda, with no basis in reality.

_That's_ emotive argument and propaganda, with no basis in reality.

Seals are part of the food chain.

Not ours. And besides, this slaughter is for fur, not food.

Humans eat seals.

If it's truly essential for survival, that's another matter.

Seals eat fish.

Human's want to eat fish. Humans trawl, humans take too much.

Seals carry the worm that kills codfish and others.

If that's true, how do the cod catch it from seals?

They are
predators in competition with humans,

No, humans have decided that they are predators, and take
from true predators.

and need to be harvested in
reasonable proportion to the fish we harvest to eat,

Humans need to eat from our own natural dietary niche-
raw fruits, succulent fruit-like vegetables, roots, shoots,
nuts and seeds. Then we can leave the rest of the animal
kingdom in peace, as we ourselves would wish to be.

if the natural
balance is to be restored.

It will be- when we realise what sort of animal we are.

http://www.iol.ie/~creature/BiologicalAdaptations.htm


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