Caddis searching pattern - from failure to success

On Sun, 1 Aug 2004, Peter Charles wrote:

But oh my, does it get attention on the swing.

I've only had limited success with that. Anyone out there have generic
clues as to where and when this techniques is effective?

Mu

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On Mon, 2 Aug 2004 02:13:43 -0400, Mu Young Lee
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On Sun, 1 Aug 2004, Peter Charles wrote:

But oh my, does it get attention on the swing.

I've only had limited success with that. Anyone out there have generic
clues as to where and when this techniques is effective?

Mu

I think you have to get to know the caddis in your river. If you have
diving egg-layers and emergers that move laterally as well as up, then
your odds are better.

I like caddis because they tend to come off in these long, sporadic
hatches rather than in the one, 20 minute blizzard common to mayflies.
There's always some caddis action going on, even if it's only a few
egg layers. Yesterday, there's hardly a caddis to be seen yet the
continual yet sporadic, egg-laying action keeps the trout interested.
I've never had a day quite like it before.

As far as the swing goes with this pattern, the first third dead
drifted didn't produce a single hit. The middle third where tension
comes on then fly and it accelerates towards the middle of the creek
produced about 40% of the hits and the last third, where the fly was
slowing down, produced the bulk.

Peter

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On Mon, 2 Aug 2004, Peter Charles wrote:

As far as the swing goes with this pattern, the first third dead
drifted didn't produce a single hit. The middle third where tension
comes on then fly and it accelerates towards the middle of the creek
produced about 40% of the hits and the last third, where the fly was
slowing down, produced the bulk.

Well is it so critical to use a caddis pattern or will the old-fashioned
"variants" and "spiders" work just as well?
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On Mon, 2 Aug 2004 17:13:51 -0400, Mu Young Lee
wrote:

On Mon, 2 Aug 2004, Peter Charles wrote:

As far as the swing goes with this pattern, the first third dead
drifted didn't produce a single hit. The middle third where tension
comes on then fly and it accelerates towards the middle of the creek
produced about 40% of the hits and the last third, where the fly was
slowing down, produced the bulk.

Well is it so critical to use a caddis pattern or will the old-fashioned
"variants" and "spiders" work just as well?


Based on this sole experience, I did way better with this fly than
when I've used P&Os and the like on Whitemans.



Peter

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Mu Young Lee wrote:

On Mon, 2 Aug 2004, Peter Charles wrote:

As far as the swing goes with this pattern, the first third dead
drifted didn't produce a single hit. The middle third where tension
comes on then fly and it accelerates towards the middle of the creek
produced about 40% of the hits and the last third, where the fly was
slowing down, produced the bulk.


Well is it so critical to use a caddis pattern or will the old-fashioned
"variants" and "spiders" work just as well?


From what I understand, variants are dry flies tied with dry fly hackle
as are American spiders. The British use the name spider for soft
hackles which I think are good wet caddis imitations, although I like
the "Americanized" soft hackles and flymphs better than the traditional
British ties..

Willi

On Mon, 2 Aug 2004 17:13:51 -0400, Mu Young Lee
wrote:

On Mon, 2 Aug 2004, Peter Charles wrote:

As far as the swing goes with this pattern, the first third dead
drifted didn't produce a single hit. The middle third where tension
comes on then fly and it accelerates towards the middle of the creek
produced about 40% of the hits and the last third, where the fly was
slowing down, produced the bulk.

Well is it so critical to use a caddis pattern or will the old-fashioned
"variants" and "spiders" work just as well?


Based on this sole experience, I did way better with this fly than
when I've used P&Os and the like on Whitemans.



Peter

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Mu Young Lee wrote:

On Mon, 2 Aug 2004, Peter Charles wrote:

As far as the swing goes with this pattern, the first third dead
drifted didn't produce a single hit. The middle third where tension
comes on then fly and it accelerates towards the middle of the creek
produced about 40% of the hits and the last third, where the fly was
slowing down, produced the bulk.


Well is it so critical to use a caddis pattern or will the old-fashioned
"variants" and "spiders" work just as well?


From what I understand, variants are dry flies tied with dry fly hackle
as are American spiders. The British use the name spider for soft
hackles which I think are good wet caddis imitations, although I like
the "Americanized" soft hackles and flymphs better than the traditional
British ties..

Willi

On Mon, 2 Aug 2004, Peter Charles wrote:

As far as the swing goes with this pattern, the first third dead
drifted didn't produce a single hit. The middle third where tension
comes on then fly and it accelerates towards the middle of the creek
produced about 40% of the hits and the last third, where the fly was
slowing down, produced the bulk.

Well is it so critical to use a caddis pattern or will the old-fashioned
"variants" and "spiders" work just as well?
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On Mon, 2 Aug 2004, Peter Charles wrote:

As far as the swing goes with this pattern, the first third dead
drifted didn't produce a single hit. The middle third where tension
comes on then fly and it accelerates towards the middle of the creek
produced about 40% of the hits and the last third, where the fly was
slowing down, produced the bulk.

Well is it so critical to use a caddis pattern or will the old-fashioned
"variants" and "spiders" work just as well?
__________________________________________________ _____________________
\ Mu Young Lee
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On Mon, 2 Aug 2004 02:13:43 -0400, Mu Young Lee
wrote:

On Sun, 1 Aug 2004, Peter Charles wrote:

But oh my, does it get attention on the swing.

I've only had limited success with that. Anyone out there have generic
clues as to where and when this techniques is effective?

Mu

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In my neck of the woods you can get by on four, Hydropsyche,
Cheumatopsyche, Rhyacophillia, and Glossosoma (spotted sedge #14,
little sister sedge #18, green rock worm #14, and tiny black caddis
#20, respectively). All of these caddis exhibit swimming egg-layers.
The first two are primarily tailwater species that do well in warmer
condtions while the last two are cold water species. I can do all of
my caddis work on the Grand with just the first two, though a
Glossosoma is handy early in the season. You should tie the first two
with both light and dark wings as they tend to get progressively
lighter as the season matures.

A Kings River Caddis is a great pattern for the spotted sedge while
the Henryville Special is a great, high floating, pocket water fly for
GRWs. I also tie the KRC pattern in GRW, LSS, and TBC colours/sizes
as well. The KRC style is a perfect, downwing generic style for
almost any caddis so I replicate it in the colours and sizes I need
for any of these bugs.

Peter

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