WHOOPS!! Shanghai.....

On Wed, 8 Sep 2004 15:08:47 +0100, "riverman" wrote:

So let me re-ask: have any roffians been to SHANGHAI lately, what's it like,
are there any fishing opportunities there, and what else can you tell me
about it.

I was in Shanghai briefly in the mid 90's. It's a neat place to visit if you
have money, but the expats I've known who've lived there didn't much like it.
--
Charlie...

"Charlie Choc" wrote in message
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On Wed, 8 Sep 2004 15:08:47 +0100, "riverman" wrote:

So let me re-ask: have any roffians been to SHANGHAI lately, what's it
like,
are there any fishing opportunities there, and what else can you tell me
about it.

I was in Shanghai briefly in the mid 90's. It's a neat place to visit if
you
have money, but the expats I've known who've lived there didn't much like
it.


Hmmm, the school that has openings there is one of the top-paying
international schools, and has openings in all of the areas in which I am
certified, as well as 2 of the 3 areas that SWMBO is certified. My primary
concern is that it will be exclusively an Urban existance, which I have
enjoyed well enough each time I have lived it, but I still will want to see
if I can plan a long weekend to wet a line, dip a paddle or pitch a tent.
Don't know much about life in China. What did your expat associates not like
about it?

--riverman

On Wed, 8 Sep 2004 15:58:08 +0100, "riverman" wrote:

What did your expat associates not like
about it?

I don't remember the specifics, but IIRC the reasons had to do with raising a
family and doing business there. Nobody said they were sorry they had gone
there, but they all said they were glad to not be there anymore. g

Also, from what I have heard, it isn't very easy for westerners to travel
around China without an escort. I know we always had one the short time I was
there, but I we didn't try to go around without them so I'm not sure if they
were officially required or not. You should check into what travel
restrictions may exist.
--
Charlie...

"Charlie Choc" wrote in message
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On Wed, 8 Sep 2004 15:58:08 +0100, "riverman" wrote:

What did your expat associates not like
about it?

I don't remember the specifics, but IIRC the reasons had to do with
raising a
family and doing business there. Nobody said they were sorry they had gone
there, but they all said they were glad to not be there anymore. g

Also, from what I have heard, it isn't very easy for westerners to travel
around China without an escort. I know we always had one the short time I
was
there, but I we didn't try to go around without them so I'm not sure if
they
were officially required or not. You should check into what travel
restrictions may exist.
--
Charlie...

Haven't been there, but been close . . .

Actually, I think the general rap on Shanghai is that it's a tough,
mercantilist city. Everybody is looking for a way to make a few bucks.
Western morality, ethics, and legality are subordinated to that objective.

That can be rather interesting. But tiresome. But it's good to spend some
time in China. It's got to be a big part of the future. And for people with
initiative and adventure, there have to be some interesting fishing
opportunities in the mountains out west.

Bob

"Charlie Choc" wrote in message
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On Wed, 8 Sep 2004 15:58:08 +0100, "riverman" wrote:

What did your expat associates not like
about it?

I don't remember the specifics, but IIRC the reasons had to do with
raising a
family and doing business there. Nobody said they were sorry they had gone
there, but they all said they were glad to not be there anymore. g

Also, from what I have heard, it isn't very easy for westerners to travel
around China without an escort. I know we always had one the short time I
was
there, but I we didn't try to go around without them so I'm not sure if
they
were officially required or not. You should check into what travel
restrictions may exist.
--
Charlie...

Haven't been there, but been close . . .

Actually, I think the general rap on Shanghai is that it's a tough,
mercantilist city. Everybody is looking for a way to make a few bucks.
Western morality, ethics, and legality are subordinated to that objective.

That can be rather interesting. But tiresome. But it's good to spend some
time in China. It's got to be a big part of the future. And for people with
initiative and adventure, there have to be some interesting fishing
opportunities in the mountains out west.

Bob

On Wed, 8 Sep 2004 15:58:08 +0100, "riverman" wrote:

What did your expat associates not like
about it?

I don't remember the specifics, but IIRC the reasons had to do with raising a
family and doing business there. Nobody said they were sorry they had gone
there, but they all said they were glad to not be there anymore. g

Also, from what I have heard, it isn't very easy for westerners to travel
around China without an escort. I know we always had one the short time I was
there, but I we didn't try to go around without them so I'm not sure if they
were officially required or not. You should check into what travel
restrictions may exist.
--
Charlie...

"Charlie Choc" wrote in message
news
On Wed, 8 Sep 2004 15:08:47 +0100, "riverman" wrote:

So let me re-ask: have any roffians been to SHANGHAI lately, what's it
like,
are there any fishing opportunities there, and what else can you tell me
about it.

I was in Shanghai briefly in the mid 90's. It's a neat place to visit if
you
have money, but the expats I've known who've lived there didn't much like
it.


Hmmm, the school that has openings there is one of the top-paying
international schools, and has openings in all of the areas in which I am
certified, as well as 2 of the 3 areas that SWMBO is certified. My primary
concern is that it will be exclusively an Urban existance, which I have
enjoyed well enough each time I have lived it, but I still will want to see
if I can plan a long weekend to wet a line, dip a paddle or pitch a tent.
Don't know much about life in China. What did your expat associates not like
about it?

--riverman