Kistler Rods - What is the REAL shakedown?

You can read more about them here
http://www.tackletour.com/reviewkistlerlta.shtm

The one thing that is different is no cork in front of the real seat. They
just put a winding check there, Next they use titanium guide frames and if
you've ever priced these guides you'll know why is cost so much! Any rod
that claims to be light weight uses these guides and a few other tricks like
no cork in front of the seat or like St. Croix they use Skeleton real seats.

What it comes down to is that the difference in the weight of the blank is
less then an ounce from blank to blank on these high end rods and most
people would never notice that difference.


"Gary Wilber" wrote in message
om...
Kistler is a great company to work with. It is owned by Trey Kistler
and you can call him up any time and talk to him. He will help you
pick out the right rod for any situation. I own four or five of the
standard rods, not the heliums. I like all of them. I believe they
are on a par with Loomis or anyone else. The other thing about Trey
is he is a Christian and makes a point that his company is a Christian
run company. That may not matter to some people but it was important
to me. I'm happy that someone has the courage to stand up for their
faith even if it means a loss of some sales.

Kistler rods have been around for some time now. I just finished reading the
review in question , and sorry to say was not very impressed. First they are
using a standard Fuji reel seat., all that is different is the locking hood.
Its the same that any builder gets with these reelseats.Eliminating the fore
grip will not give you any difference in sensitivity or feel. At Millennium
Rods we use a graphite sleeve and cork hood . The cork does not usually
touch the blank with our hoods so there is no lose in sensitivity or feel.
The use of the titanium frame guides is now rather widespread also It's not
necessarily the material of the frame that will dampen or stiffen a blank .
But rather how "many" guides are used , and their placement on the
rod blank itself. I can and have designed rods using alconite rings with
regular S/S frames that weigh less than
a rod with the titanium frames.

While I am sure that Kistler makes a fine rod, IMHO they
are over priced.

Oh, and Craig if you don't mind dropping a grand on a combo, let's
talk..........hehehe! Course for that kind of change you could get at least
(3) three MCR rods.

Dave Norton

--
"The Shadow"
Millennium Rods
"Roy Randolph" wrote in message
...
You can read more about them here
http://www.tackletour.com/reviewkistlerlta.shtm

The one thing that is different is no cork in front of the real seat. They
just put a winding check there, Next they use titanium guide frames and if
you've ever priced these guides you'll know why is cost so much! Any rod
that claims to be light weight uses these guides and a few other tricks
like
no cork in front of the seat or like St. Croix they use Skeleton real
seats.

What it comes down to is that the difference in the weight of the blank is
less then an ounce from blank to blank on these high end rods and most
people would never notice that difference.


"Gary Wilber" wrote in message
om...
Kistler is a great company to work with. It is owned by Trey Kistler
and you can call him up any time and talk to him. He will help you
pick out the right rod for any situation. I own four or five of the
standard rods, not the heliums. I like all of them. I believe they
are on a par with Loomis or anyone else. The other thing about Trey
is he is a Christian and makes a point that his company is a Christian
run company. That may not matter to some people but it was important
to me. I'm happy that someone has the courage to stand up for their
faith even if it means a loss of some sales.

You're right! I do owe you the chance to knock my socks off with a MR. In
March, I will contact you. I will want a 7' MH & H IMX blank. 10
Titanium/SiC guides. No coating
--
Craig Baugher

Maybe one Sunday I'll meet you at the bridge, and let you play with each
style he makes, cause I've got 'em all !

"Craig" wrote in message
...
You're right! I do owe you the chance to knock my socks off with a MR.
In
March, I will contact you. I will want a 7' MH & H IMX blank. 10
Titanium/SiC guides. No coating
--
Craig Baugher

Just to clear things up I'm not promoting these rods! I'm a St. Croix man
must of my rods are custom built with St. Croix blanks

"Craig" wrote in message
...
You're right! I do owe you the chance to knock my socks off with a MR.
In
March, I will contact you. I will want a 7' MH & H IMX blank. 10
Titanium/SiC guides. No coating
--
Craig Baugher

Whenever your ready Craig , And yes Jerry does own one or more of our
models. I will put his Rainshadow blanks up against a Loomis (Slate) blank
any day..hehehe!

--
"The Shadow"
Millennium Rods
"Craig" wrote in message
...
You're right! I do owe you the chance to knock my socks off with a MR.
In
March, I will contact you. I will want a 7' MH & H IMX blank. 10
Titanium/SiC guides. No coating
--
Craig Baugher

I'll have my MR at the Southern Classic if you'd like to give it a try. Bill P.
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"Craig" wrote in message ...
You're right! I do owe you the chance to knock my socks off with a MR. In
March, I will contact you. I will want a 7' MH & H IMX blank. 10
Titanium/SiC guides. No coating
--
Craig Baugher

All this really boils down to what is "custom" and what is not. Kistlers are
now building their rods for the masses. In my eyes these are "not" custom.
As a "custom" rod is built to meet the specs of an individual. At MCR we
only build one rod at a time, well ok maybe several. But the point is that
each rod is built to perform for the individual that receives it. Is it
slick and fancy?; yes it most cases it is.
Will it "out perform" any mass produced rod. Yer damned right it will ,or
your money back!

--
"The Shadow"
Millennium Rods
"Doc (The Tin Boat King)" wrote in message
...
I'll have my MR at the Southern Classic if you'd like to give it a try.
Bill P.
================================================== ====

"Craig" wrote in message
...
You're right! I do owe you the chance to knock my socks off with a MR.
In
March, I will contact you. I will want a 7' MH & H IMX blank. 10
Titanium/SiC guides. No coating
--
Craig Baugher

Am I missing something here? I'm seeing a whole line of rods that range
from & 80 to $200, with the top of the line versions at under $300. How
does that make them overpriced? They look pretty sweet to me, and with guys
like Dave Dudley & Mark Tyler endorsing them I'd bet they're pretty sweet
sticks too.

Warren
--
http://www.warrenwolk.com/



""The Shadow"" wrote in message
...
Kistler rods have been around for some time now. I just finished reading
the
review in question , and sorry to say was not very impressed. First they
are
using a standard Fuji reel seat., all that is different is the locking
hood.
Its the same that any builder gets with these reelseats.Eliminating the
fore
grip will not give you any difference in sensitivity or feel. At
Millennium
Rods we use a graphite sleeve and cork hood . The cork does not usually
touch the blank with our hoods so there is no lose in sensitivity or feel.
The use of the titanium frame guides is now rather widespread also It's
not
necessarily the material of the frame that will dampen or stiffen a blank
..
But rather how "many" guides are used , and their placement on the
rod blank itself. I can and have designed rods using alconite rings with
regular S/S frames that weigh less than
a rod with the titanium frames.

While I am sure that Kistler makes a fine rod, IMHO they
are over priced.

Oh, and Craig if you don't mind dropping a grand on a combo, let's
talk..........hehehe! Course for that kind of change you could get at
least
(3) three MCR rods.

Dave Norton

--
"The Shadow"
Millennium Rods
"Roy Randolph" wrote in message
...
You can read more about them here
http://www.tackletour.com/reviewkistlerlta.shtm

The one thing that is different is no cork in front of the real seat.
They
just put a winding check there, Next they use titanium guide frames and
if
you've ever priced these guides you'll know why is cost so much! Any rod
that claims to be light weight uses these guides and a few other tricks
like
no cork in front of the seat or like St. Croix they use Skeleton real
seats.

What it comes down to is that the difference in the weight of the blank
is
less then an ounce from blank to blank on these high end rods and most
people would never notice that difference.


"Gary Wilber" wrote in message
om...
Kistler is a great company to work with. It is owned by Trey Kistler
and you can call him up any time and talk to him. He will help you
pick out the right rod for any situation. I own four or five of the
standard rods, not the heliums. I like all of them. I believe they
are on a par with Loomis or anyone else. The other thing about Trey
is he is a Christian and makes a point that his company is a Christian
run company. That may not matter to some people but it was important
to me. I'm happy that someone has the courage to stand up for their
faith even if it means a loss of some sales.

I'm seeing a whole line of rods that range from & 80 to $200, with the
top of the line versions at under $300. How does that make them
overpriced?

Wow. After reading that, I realize I may be in the wrong newsgroup. LoL