is Bush anti- fly fishing?

"Tim J." wrote

both good points, you can be surrounded by idiots without being one, and
it's possible, maybe necessary, to hide one's thoughts if business is at
risk ( Warren would never shop there again if he knew who I'm talking about
:-), but it surprised the hell out of me, at the time

looks like I carted that damn soapbox around to little effect, I have to
admit the post proved nothing

This is pretty unsettling news, just thought I would voice my
opinion.

This summer I asked a well known ( I'd like to say who, but don't
have that permission... ) fly shop owner and very active
conservationist in trout stream protection, "Besides sending a check
to the right groups, what can I do, as an individual, to help protect
this area's trout streams and ecology."

Without hesitation the answer came, "Work to get Bush out of office."

Well, if one person in a fly shop said it then it MUST be true. ;-)

Perhaps he is talking about Craig Matthews and Blue Ribbon Flies? Craig
is a great guy and has a terrific shop. I could probably go into 50
other shops in Montana and Idaho and find the same type of response. I
can't blame most of these guys. They need to preserve the cold water
fisheries for their shops to survive. They read op-ed pieces that
indicate Bush is Satan and they take the info verbatim. Ask most shop
owners about the history of the watersheds they support and most won't
have a clue about the state of the fishery in the early 1900's. The
fact that the fisheries are in better shape and continue to improve has
little significance on their stance. Of course they might change their
minds after Kerry taxes the **** out of him if he is elected.

This is pretty unsettling news, just thought I would voice my
opinion.

This summer I asked a well known ( I'd like to say who, but don't
have that permission... ) fly shop owner and very active
conservationist in trout stream protection, "Besides sending a check
to the right groups, what can I do, as an individual, to help protect
this area's trout streams and ecology."

Without hesitation the answer came, "Work to get Bush out of office."

Well, if one person in a fly shop said it then it MUST be true. ;-)

Perhaps he is talking about Craig Matthews and Blue Ribbon Flies? Craig
is a great guy and has a terrific shop. I could probably go into 50
other shops in Montana and Idaho and find the same type of response. I
can't blame most of these guys. They need to preserve the cold water
fisheries for their shops to survive. They read op-ed pieces that
indicate Bush is Satan and they take the info verbatim. Ask most shop
owners about the history of the watersheds they support and most won't
have a clue about the state of the fishery in the early 1900's. The
fact that the fisheries are in better shape and continue to improve has
little significance on their stance. Of course they might change their
minds after Kerry taxes the **** out of him if he is elected.

Tim J. wrote:

Eric Winkleman wrote:

A buddy of mine and I were talking and he was telling me Bush was more
of a " dig your own bass pond on your ranch" kind of guy, and not a
guy concerned with coldwater fisheries.

Apparently Trout Unlimited says the same thing. Also I have noticed
that Bush has had very unfriendly moves on part of the national
forests , western cutthroat and the rare bull trout.

This is pretty unsettling news, just thought I would voice my opinion.


HEY! We have enough of the regulars here stirring up this kind of
political bull****, and we're running low on soapboxes. ;-)


It does seem like the guy might be a troll but it also seems to me that
a candidate's stance on the environment, especially as it pertains to
fisheries, couldn't be more on topic for a fishing group.

Willi

Tim J. wrote:

Eric Winkleman wrote:

A buddy of mine and I were talking and he was telling me Bush was more
of a " dig your own bass pond on your ranch" kind of guy, and not a
guy concerned with coldwater fisheries.

Apparently Trout Unlimited says the same thing. Also I have noticed
that Bush has had very unfriendly moves on part of the national
forests , western cutthroat and the rare bull trout.

This is pretty unsettling news, just thought I would voice my opinion.


HEY! We have enough of the regulars here stirring up this kind of
political bull****, and we're running low on soapboxes. ;-)


It does seem like the guy might be a troll but it also seems to me that
a candidate's stance on the environment, especially as it pertains to
fisheries, couldn't be more on topic for a fishing group.

Willi

bouncer wrote:

To the original poster. Do your homework on this issue. I've
personally never seen so many waterways in the west in such fine shape.
Oh wait. The drought has caused problems with many rivers, but that
isn't a result of any current policies implemented by Bush. We should
be excited, as a nation, that the riverways continue to improve every
year.

That is flat wrong. It depends, of course, on what waterways you've seen
and for how long you've seen them. For example, the Bush administration
fighting efforts to restore the salmon and steelhead runs in the Pacific
Northwest. Their court-ordered draft federal salmon plan rewrite is a
joke. Fortunately, it's getting lots of opposition from Congress,
fishing communities, tribes, businesses, and the press.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

bouncer wrote:

Eric Winkleman writes:


Apparently Trout Unlimited says

TU sux.



So how is the mighty pirate these days? Long time no chat.

Haven't heard from you either!

Bush hasn't been the best from an
environmental standpoint, but he hasn't been the worst.

Bush is NOT a friend of our fisheries.


To the original poster. Do your homework on this issue.

I think you're the one that needs to research Bush's and his Secretary
of the Interior, Gale Norton's record on environment protection as a
whole (ie look at their attempts to repeal and weaken the Clean
Water Act and the Clean Air Act) as well as their free market approach
to OUR National lands (ie the ONLY value our National lands have are
the money that they can generate).

Willi

bouncer wrote:

Eric Winkleman writes:


Apparently Trout Unlimited says

TU sux.



So how is the mighty pirate these days? Long time no chat.

Haven't heard from you either!

Bush hasn't been the best from an
environmental standpoint, but he hasn't been the worst.

Bush is NOT a friend of our fisheries.


To the original poster. Do your homework on this issue.

I think you're the one that needs to research Bush's and his Secretary
of the Interior, Gale Norton's record on environment protection as a
whole (ie look at their attempts to repeal and weaken the Clean
Water Act and the Clean Air Act) as well as their free market approach
to OUR National lands (ie the ONLY value our National lands have are
the money that they can generate).

Willi

bouncer wrote:

Ask most shop
owners about the history of the watersheds they support and most won't
have a clue about the state of the fishery in the early 1900's. The
fact that the fisheries are in better shape and continue to improve has
little significance on their stance.

I agree with this and want to see continued improvement. The biggest
part of the improvement in our fisheries in my lifetime was do to the
establishment of the Clean Water Act. Before it was instituted, the
rivers and streams in Illinois where I grew up were literally sewers in
many cases. Do some research on Bush's position on The Clean Water Act
and what he's tried to do to weaken and/or repeal it.

Willi

On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 16:08:29 -0600, bouncer
wrote:


This is pretty unsettling news, just thought I would voice my
opinion.

This summer I asked a well known ( I'd like to say who, but don't
have that permission... ) fly shop owner and very active
conservationist in trout stream protection, "Besides sending a check
to the right groups, what can I do, as an individual, to help protect
this area's trout streams and ecology."

Without hesitation the answer came, "Work to get Bush out of office."

Well, if one person in a fly shop said it then it MUST be true. ;-)

Perhaps he is talking about Craig Matthews and Blue Ribbon Flies? Craig
is a great guy and has a terrific shop. I could probably go into 50
other shops in Montana and Idaho and find the same type of response. I
can't blame most of these guys. They need to preserve the cold water
fisheries for their shops to survive. They read op-ed pieces that
indicate Bush is Satan and they take the info verbatim. Ask most shop
owners about the history of the watersheds they support and most won't
have a clue about the state of the fishery in the early 1900's. The
fact that the fisheries are in better shape and continue to improve has
little significance on their stance. Of course they might change their
minds after Kerry taxes the **** out of him if he is elected.

Now *there's* an excellent example of people who read op-ed pieces and take
the info verbatim...

/daytripper (real nice work there ;-)