Kistler Custom Helium Rods

I was giving this website a look-over & stumbled across these rods-

http://www.fishingworld.com/KistlerR...43153323449&Ca
rt=10760377343447427&SKU=He63APC

I have no clue what the secret, lighter than graphite material is that these
guys use to build their rods (they claim it's lighter & stronger, but
nowhere do they claim it's more sensative), but I do see something that
looks interesting. I thought about how I grip my casting rods while working
soft-plastics, jigs, jerkbaits, crankbaits & other lures. I "palm" the reel
with my left hand, and my index finger rests on the small cork piece between
the reel & the rod body. I gotta think that if my finger were resting
directly on the rod blank, as with these rods, that sensitivity would be
increased bigtime.

I'm going to ask John Uhler of Furnace Bay Rods his opinion on this, and
unless he can point out something I'm missing here I'm gonna have him make
me a rod like that. I'd love to hear the better fishermen on this
newsgroup's opinions on this to. I love the idea of having my finger in
direct contact with the rod blank.

As for rods being heavy & wearing guys' arms out during a fishing trip, lol.
What girly-boys are they talking about?

Warren
--
http://www.warrenwolk.com/

"go-bassn" wrote in message As for rods being heavy &
wearing guys' arms out during a fishing trip, lol.
What girly-boys are they talking about?

Warren
--
http://www.warrenwolk.com/


Maybe me. about 35 years ago I chucked big Rebels for stripers in the
sloughs of SF bay. Behind the Oakland Faders offices. Big glass spinner,
and Mitchell 300 reel. One day, a guy let me use is Fenwick for a few
minutes. Love at first throw. I still use the Fenwick steelhead rod I
bought shortly thereafter.
Bill

Warren, again I read marketing hype in that article. As to the cork
foregrip, I agree that if it is solidly attached to the blank it might
dampen the "feel" slightly. So the object of the game is to use a hood that
does not come into direct contact with the blank when the reel is secured in
place.

--
"The Shadow"
Millennium Rods
"go-bassn" wrote in message
...
I was giving this website a look-over & stumbled across these rods-


http://www.fishingworld.com/KistlerR...43153323449&Ca
rt=10760377343447427&SKU=He63APC

I have no clue what the secret, lighter than graphite material is that
these
guys use to build their rods (they claim it's lighter & stronger, but
nowhere do they claim it's more sensative), but I do see something that
looks interesting. I thought about how I grip my casting rods while
working
soft-plastics, jigs, jerkbaits, crankbaits & other lures. I "palm" the
reel
with my left hand, and my index finger rests on the small cork piece
between
the reel & the rod body. I gotta think that if my finger were resting
directly on the rod blank, as with these rods, that sensitivity would be
increased bigtime.

I'm going to ask John Uhler of Furnace Bay Rods his opinion on this, and
unless he can point out something I'm missing here I'm gonna have him make
me a rod like that. I'd love to hear the better fishermen on this
newsgroup's opinions on this to. I love the idea of having my finger in
direct contact with the rod blank.

As for rods being heavy & wearing guys' arms out during a fishing trip,
lol.
What girly-boys are they talking about?

Warren
--
http://www.warrenwolk.com/

\"The Shadow\" wrote:
Warren, again I read marketing hype in that article. As to the cork
foregrip, I agree that if it is solidly attached to the blank it might
dampen the "feel" slightly. So the object of the game is to use a hood that
does not come into direct contact with the blank when the reel is secured in
place.

--
"The Shadow"
Millennium Rods

Rod,
When your hand or fingers rest on the hood, wouldn't you loose
sensitivity because it is not directly in contact with the blank?
Jack

~~
Jack Dalzell
http://secretweaponlures.com/jdbass/jdhome.htm
http://www.OutdoorFrontiers.com
~~

Absolutely Jack. Which is why my right hand remains in contact with the
"reelseat" .

As I said if the cork hood is bonded to the blank , you could experience a
reduction in sensitivity.
But the hoods that we use are not glued to the blank. They are glued to a
100% graphite hood which locks the reelseat in. This hood itself never
touches the blank.

--
"The Shadow"
Millennium Rods
"Jack Dalzell Jr." wrote in message
...


\"The Shadow\" wrote:
Warren, again I read marketing hype in that article. As to the cork
foregrip, I agree that if it is solidly attached to the blank it might
dampen the "feel" slightly. So the object of the game is to use a hood
that
does not come into direct contact with the blank when the reel is
secured in
place.

--
"The Shadow"
Millennium Rods

Rod,
When your hand or fingers rest on the hood, wouldn't you loose
sensitivity because it is not directly in contact with the blank?
Jack

~~
Jack Dalzell
http://secretweaponlures.com/jdbass/jdhome.htm
http://www.OutdoorFrontiers.com
~~

I'm talking about a finger being in direct contact with the rod blank. No
hood, attached or detached, could rival that kind of sensitivity...

Warren

""The Shadow"" wrote in message
...
Absolutely Jack. Which is why my right hand remains in contact with the
"reelseat" .

As I said if the cork hood is bonded to the blank , you could experience a
reduction in sensitivity.
But the hoods that we use are not glued to the blank. They are glued to a
100% graphite hood which locks the reelseat in. This hood itself never
touches the blank.

--
"The Shadow"
Millennium Rods
"Jack Dalzell Jr." wrote in message
...


\"The Shadow\" wrote:
Warren, again I read marketing hype in that article. As to the cork
foregrip, I agree that if it is solidly attached to the blank it might
dampen the "feel" slightly. So the object of the game is to use a hood
that
does not come into direct contact with the blank when the reel is
secured in
place.

--
"The Shadow"
Millennium Rods

Rod,
When your hand or fingers rest on the hood, wouldn't you loose
sensitivity because it is not directly in contact with the blank?
Jack

~~
Jack Dalzell
http://secretweaponlures.com/jdbass/jdhome.htm
http://www.OutdoorFrontiers.com
~~

Warren, as you know I use thru blank reelseats ( yeah I know so do most
others.) With our reelseats the blank is also exposed on the underside of
the reelseat ( again I realize most others are) . The point I am trying to
make is that I can always have some part of my hand in direct contact with
the blank.

When someone comes along and tries to tell me that they
heighten the feel from using a locking hood like on the Kistler rods , I
will tell them politely no thanks.

It's hype, a marketing ploy. All they really did was take a stock reelseat
and shortened it so there are no threads exposed in front of the hood. They
add a winding check
to hide any gap between the inside diameter of the seat and the outside
diameter of the blank.

All things considered this is not new stuff, custom builders
have been doing these things for eons.

Warren if you had ever taken a look at my flippen stick you would have
noticed how short a foregrip it has. And I used the same components for it
as I do every rod I build.
In this case I simply took my saw to the parts!

--
"The Shadow"
Millennium Rods
"go-bassn" wrote in message
...
I'm talking about a finger being in direct contact with the rod blank. No
hood, attached or detached, could rival that kind of sensitivity...

Warren

""The Shadow"" wrote in message
...
Absolutely Jack. Which is why my right hand remains in contact with the
"reelseat" .

As I said if the cork hood is bonded to the blank , you could experience
a
reduction in sensitivity.
But the hoods that we use are not glued to the blank. They are glued to
a
100% graphite hood which locks the reelseat in. This hood itself never
touches the blank.

--
"The Shadow"
Millennium Rods
"Jack Dalzell Jr." wrote in message
...


\"The Shadow\" wrote:
Warren, again I read marketing hype in that article. As to the cork
foregrip, I agree that if it is solidly attached to the blank it
might
dampen the "feel" slightly. So the object of the game is to use a
hood
that
does not come into direct contact with the blank when the reel is
secured in
place.

--
"The Shadow"
Millennium Rods

Rod,
When your hand or fingers rest on the hood, wouldn't you loose
sensitivity because it is not directly in contact with the blank?
Jack

~~
Jack Dalzell
http://secretweaponlures.com/jdbass/jdhome.htm
http://www.OutdoorFrontiers.com
~~

Maybe me. about 35 years ago I chucked big Rebels for stripers in the
sloughs of SF bay. Behind the Oakland Faders offices. Big glass spinner,
and Mitchell 300 reel. One day, a guy let me use is Fenwick for a few
minutes. Love at first throw. I still use the Fenwick steelhead rod I
bought shortly thereafter.
Bill
=====
Bill, about that same time I was using a Mitchel 300 and fishing off the
rock jetties on Alameda Air Station for thos stripers...we could have
been just a few miles apart enjoying the day, hu? That old Mitchel 300
is still in my garage. I used it in Florida to surf fish...caught some
really big "Reds" with 20# test and a 14' custom made surf rod, even
landed a 150# black tip shark with the same set up, took an hour, but
what fun. That old Mitchel 300 was one hell of a reel in it's day!
JK

I suspect, they may be using one of the newer classes of Fiberglass. When I
was talking with Gary Loomis (and I have the whole conversation on tape), he
indicated that some of Today's high tech glasses were in fact more
sensitive, stronger, and lighter than most graphites. But the word Glass
would kill the value of these rods because so much marketing went into the
promotion of graphite and how it was better than glass.

Personally, I think it would be killer to have the sensitivity and stiffness
of graphite and the durability and strength of a glass. But I can
understand their reasoning. Imagine the reaction from the GP and the
industry that just spent 10 years convincing everybody that graphite is
superior, now spins around and says, "Wait, the new high tech glass rods are
better than graphite." Most would think that it is just a ploy to sell more
rods.

--
Craig Baugher

I know the type of reel seat you're speaking of, and when I'm palming the
reel my fingers don't contact the blank (which is exposed only below the
reel) at all. My fingers are totally on the reel, with my index finger
contacting the rod in front of the reel only.

Warren

""The Shadow"" wrote in message
...
Warren, as you know I use thru blank reelseats ( yeah I know so do most
others.) With our reelseats the blank is also exposed on the underside of
the reelseat ( again I realize most others are) . The point I am trying to
make is that I can always have some part of my hand in direct contact with
the blank.

When someone comes along and tries to tell me that they
heighten the feel from using a locking hood like on the Kistler rods , I
will tell them politely no thanks.

It's hype, a marketing ploy. All they really did was take a stock reelseat
and shortened it so there are no threads exposed in front of the hood.
They
add a winding check
to hide any gap between the inside diameter of the seat and the outside
diameter of the blank.

All things considered this is not new stuff, custom builders
have been doing these things for eons.

Warren if you had ever taken a look at my flippen stick you would have
noticed how short a foregrip it has. And I used the same components for it
as I do every rod I build.
In this case I simply took my saw to the parts!

--
"The Shadow"
Millennium Rods
"go-bassn" wrote in message
...
I'm talking about a finger being in direct contact with the rod blank.
No
hood, attached or detached, could rival that kind of sensitivity...

Warren

""The Shadow"" wrote in message
...
Absolutely Jack. Which is why my right hand remains in contact with
the
"reelseat" .

As I said if the cork hood is bonded to the blank , you could
experience
a
reduction in sensitivity.
But the hoods that we use are not glued to the blank. They are glued
to
a
100% graphite hood which locks the reelseat in. This hood itself never
touches the blank.

--
"The Shadow"
Millennium Rods
"Jack Dalzell Jr." wrote in message
...


\"The Shadow\" wrote:
Warren, again I read marketing hype in that article. As to the
cork
foregrip, I agree that if it is solidly attached to the blank it
might
dampen the "feel" slightly. So the object of the game is to use a
hood
that
does not come into direct contact with the blank when the reel is
secured in
place.

--
"The Shadow"
Millennium Rods

Rod,
When your hand or fingers rest on the hood, wouldn't you loose
sensitivity because it is not directly in contact with the blank?
Jack

~~
Jack Dalzell
http://secretweaponlures.com/jdbass/jdhome.htm
http://www.OutdoorFrontiers.com
~~