Kistler Custom Helium Rods

I know the type of reel seat you're speaking of, and when I'm palming the
reel my fingers don't contact the blank (which is exposed only below the
reel) at all. My fingers are totally on the reel, with my index finger
contacting the rod in front of the reel only.

Warren

""The Shadow"" wrote in message
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Warren, as you know I use thru blank reelseats ( yeah I know so do most
others.) With our reelseats the blank is also exposed on the underside of
the reelseat ( again I realize most others are) . The point I am trying to
make is that I can always have some part of my hand in direct contact with
the blank.

When someone comes along and tries to tell me that they
heighten the feel from using a locking hood like on the Kistler rods , I
will tell them politely no thanks.

It's hype, a marketing ploy. All they really did was take a stock reelseat
and shortened it so there are no threads exposed in front of the hood.
They
add a winding check
to hide any gap between the inside diameter of the seat and the outside
diameter of the blank.

All things considered this is not new stuff, custom builders
have been doing these things for eons.

Warren if you had ever taken a look at my flippen stick you would have
noticed how short a foregrip it has. And I used the same components for it
as I do every rod I build.
In this case I simply took my saw to the parts!

--
"The Shadow"
Millennium Rods
"go-bassn" wrote in message
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I'm talking about a finger being in direct contact with the rod blank.
No
hood, attached or detached, could rival that kind of sensitivity...

Warren

""The Shadow"" wrote in message
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Absolutely Jack. Which is why my right hand remains in contact with
the
"reelseat" .

As I said if the cork hood is bonded to the blank , you could
experience
a
reduction in sensitivity.
But the hoods that we use are not glued to the blank. They are glued
to
a
100% graphite hood which locks the reelseat in. This hood itself never
touches the blank.

--
"The Shadow"
Millennium Rods
"Jack Dalzell Jr." wrote in message
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\"The Shadow\" wrote:
Warren, again I read marketing hype in that article. As to the
cork
foregrip, I agree that if it is solidly attached to the blank it
might
dampen the "feel" slightly. So the object of the game is to use a
hood
that
does not come into direct contact with the blank when the reel is
secured in
place.

--
"The Shadow"
Millennium Rods

Rod,
When your hand or fingers rest on the hood, wouldn't you loose
sensitivity because it is not directly in contact with the blank?
Jack

~~
Jack Dalzell
http://secretweaponlures.com/jdbass/jdhome.htm
http://www.OutdoorFrontiers.com
~~

On Fri, 6 Feb 2004 19:36:46 -0500, "go-bassn"
wrote:

I know the type of reel seat you're speaking of, and when I'm palming the
reel my fingers don't contact the blank (which is exposed only below the
reel) at all. My fingers are totally on the reel, with my index finger
contacting the rod in front of the reel only.

Warren

Warren

I tryed emailing you this morning. Take a peek at
this URL:

http://www.frabill.com/ice_rods.html#sensive

These are ice rods, and for spinning reels - but look at
the tip top of the handle - the rod projects thru it on the
top and underside, so that you can get your fingers in
contact with the rod blank. Since you are looking at
custom rods anyway, I would think that any rod maker
could do something like this for you.

Jim

That's my point exactly Jim, Any rod builder could and would do this if
asked. Kistler is not doing anything that is not the norm for a custom
builder.

Again it's all marketing hype. And Warren if your fingers cannot contact the
blank on a thru blank reelseat. Well hell son ,maybe you should look to
those stubby little fingers o o

--
"The Shadow"
Millennium Rods
"Jim Laumann" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 6 Feb 2004 19:36:46 -0500, "go-bassn"
wrote:

I know the type of reel seat you're speaking of, and when I'm palming the
reel my fingers don't contact the blank (which is exposed only below the
reel) at all. My fingers are totally on the reel, with my index finger
contacting the rod in front of the reel only.

Warren

Warren

I tryed emailing you this morning. Take a peek at
this URL:

http://www.frabill.com/ice_rods.html#sensive

These are ice rods, and for spinning reels - but look at
the tip top of the handle - the rod projects thru it on the
top and underside, so that you can get your fingers in
contact with the rod blank. Since you are looking at
custom rods anyway, I would think that any rod maker
could do something like this for you.

Jim

lol, I'm palming my reel, holding it from the side...

--
http://www.warrenwolk.com/



""The Shadow"" wrote in message
...
That's my point exactly Jim, Any rod builder could and would do this if
asked. Kistler is not doing anything that is not the norm for a custom
builder.

Again it's all marketing hype. And Warren if your fingers cannot contact
the
blank on a thru blank reelseat. Well hell son ,maybe you should look to
those stubby little fingers o o

--
"The Shadow"
Millennium Rods
"Jim Laumann" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 6 Feb 2004 19:36:46 -0500, "go-bassn"
wrote:

I know the type of reel seat you're speaking of, and when I'm palming
the
reel my fingers don't contact the blank (which is exposed only below
the
reel) at all. My fingers are totally on the reel, with my index finger
contacting the rod in front of the reel only.

Warren

Warren

I tryed emailing you this morning. Take a peek at
this URL:

http://www.frabill.com/ice_rods.html#sensive

These are ice rods, and for spinning reels - but look at
the tip top of the handle - the rod projects thru it on the
top and underside, so that you can get your fingers in
contact with the rod blank. Since you are looking at
custom rods anyway, I would think that any rod maker
could do something like this for you.

Jim

I had to take a rod out of the closet and try it to see exactly where my
hand fits. I palm the reel with the pinky and ring finger wrapped under the
reel seat, the birdflipping finger extended forward and half-hooked under
the seat ahead of the reel, and the index finger around the front of the
reel and thumb over the top, meeting with the index finger to lightly pinch
the line ahead of the line guide.

http://www.richz.com/fishing/images/palm_reel.jpg

I know my hands are probably somewhat bigger than yours, but that photo's
with a full sized, round Ambassadeur, not one of them wimpy little low
profile reels.

My middle finger would probably hit blank on those shortened reel seat, no
foregrip deals. But to be honest, 95% of my feel comes directly from the
line, through the index finger.

RichZ©

I hold it a bit different Rich, only my pinkk goes beneath the reel, and
then not far enough to contact the center of the underside. My other
fingers face forward, with my index finger contacting the rod only. I don't
touch the line at all while palming...

Warren

"RichZ" wrote in message
...
I had to take a rod out of the closet and try it to see exactly where my
hand fits. I palm the reel with the pinky and ring finger wrapped under
the
reel seat, the birdflipping finger extended forward and half-hooked under
the seat ahead of the reel, and the index finger around the front of the
reel and thumb over the top, meeting with the index finger to lightly
pinch
the line ahead of the line guide.

http://www.richz.com/fishing/images/palm_reel.jpg

I know my hands are probably somewhat bigger than yours, but that photo's
with a full sized, round Ambassadeur, not one of them wimpy little low
profile reels.

My middle finger would probably hit blank on those shortened reel seat, no
foregrip deals. But to be honest, 95% of my feel comes directly from the
line, through the index finger.

RichZ©

"go-bassn" wrote in message
...
I hold it a bit different Rich, only my pinkk goes beneath the reel, and
then not far enough to contact the center of the underside. My other
fingers face forward, with my index finger contacting the rod only. I
don't
touch the line at all while palming...

Warren

"RichZ" wrote in message
...
I had to take a rod out of the closet and try it to see exactly where my
hand fits. I palm the reel with the pinky and ring finger wrapped under
the
reel seat, the birdflipping finger extended forward and half-hooked
under
the seat ahead of the reel, and the index finger around the front of the
reel and thumb over the top, meeting with the index finger to lightly
pinch
the line ahead of the line guide.

http://www.richz.com/fishing/images/palm_reel.jpg

I know my hands are probably somewhat bigger than yours, but that
photo's
with a full sized, round Ambassadeur, not one of them wimpy little low
profile reels.

My middle finger would probably hit blank on those shortened reel seat,
no
foregrip deals. But to be honest, 95% of my feel comes directly from the
line, through the index finger.

RichZ©





You need bigger hands. I palm the reel and wrap a couple of fingers
underneath. I also can hold a basketball like an NBA player.
Bill

Thanks Jim. If you look at the pic with the reel on the rod, it's not
really what I'm getting at. Have you seen the Kistler rod in the link

http://www.fishingworld.com/KistlerR...43153323449&Ca
rt=10760377343447427&SKU=He63APC

You'll have to paste the unblue part to the blue part...

Warren
"Jim Laumann" wrote in message
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On Fri, 6 Feb 2004 19:36:46 -0500, "go-bassn"
wrote:

I know the type of reel seat you're speaking of, and when I'm palming the
reel my fingers don't contact the blank (which is exposed only below the
reel) at all. My fingers are totally on the reel, with my index finger
contacting the rod in front of the reel only.

Warren

Warren

I tryed emailing you this morning. Take a peek at
this URL:

http://www.frabill.com/ice_rods.html#sensive

These are ice rods, and for spinning reels - but look at
the tip top of the handle - the rod projects thru it on the
top and underside, so that you can get your fingers in
contact with the rod blank. Since you are looking at
custom rods anyway, I would think that any rod maker
could do something like this for you.

Jim

go-bassn wrote:
Thanks Jim. If you look at the pic with the reel on the rod, it's not
really what I'm getting at. Have you seen the Kistler rod in the link

http://www.fishingworld.com/KistlerR...43153323449&Ca
rt=10760377343447427&SKU=He63APC

You'll have to paste the unblue part to the blue part...

Warren

or use this: http://tinyurl.com/22l8j

I like the looks of that one!

Henry

On Fri, 6 Feb 2004 21:16:08 -0500, "go-bassn"
wrote:

Thanks Jim. If you look at the pic with the reel on the rod, it's not
really what I'm getting at. Have you seen the Kistler rod in the link

http://www.fishingworld.com/KistlerR...43153323449&Ca
rt=10760377343447427&SKU=He63APC

You'll have to paste the unblue part to the blue part...

Warren

Warren

First time I've seen a reel seat like the Kistler rod - guess I lead a
sheltered life.

From the text in your original post, the Frabill rods came to mind. I
guess I envisioned that a Frabill like "cone" might work for, if you
cradled your reel in the palm of your hand - that you could possibly
get your index finger in a dimple in the "cone".

Good luck finding something that will work.

Jim


"Jim Laumann" wrote in message
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On Fri, 6 Feb 2004 19:36:46 -0500, "go-bassn"
wrote:

I know the type of reel seat you're speaking of, and when I'm palming the
reel my fingers don't contact the blank (which is exposed only below the
reel) at all. My fingers are totally on the reel, with my index finger
contacting the rod in front of the reel only.

Warren

Warren

I tryed emailing you this morning. Take a peek at
this URL:

http://www.frabill.com/ice_rods.html#sensive

These are ice rods, and for spinning reels - but look at
the tip top of the handle - the rod projects thru it on the
top and underside, so that you can get your fingers in
contact with the rod blank. Since you are looking at
custom rods anyway, I would think that any rod maker
could do something like this for you.

Jim