BPS Hook are NOT for tournament anglers...

Truthfully Charles, the last extras I had went to Warren a couple weeks ago.
I would do it in a second if I had some extra. I actually have to get a
bunch of them over the winter to restock before the season starts again.

Chris
"Charles B. Summers" wrote in message
...
Think I'll pick some of these up next time I'm at Bass Pro Shops*. I wish
I
would have saved that other hook just to show them... but I doubt the
girls
at the Customer Service desk would have a clue anyway.

*Unless you want to send me some free ones! LOL


"Chris Rennert" wrote in message
...
Charles,

With money on the line, for me it is Daiichi , and nothing else. If I
was
going for a line class record, Daiichi, if I was in the bassmasters
classic,
Daiichi. I have used so many different hooks, Gamakatsu are have too
light
of wire, I don't like the cutting edge of Mustad or Eagle Claw, to me the
points bend to easy.
I guess I can't say enough about them, and wish I could send everyone
free
ones to try just so they knew as well!

Take care,

Truthfully Charles, the last extras I had went to Warren a couple weeks ago.
I would do it in a second if I had some extra. I actually have to get a
bunch of them over the winter to restock before the season starts again.

Chris
"Charles B. Summers" wrote in message
...
Think I'll pick some of these up next time I'm at Bass Pro Shops*. I wish
I
would have saved that other hook just to show them... but I doubt the
girls
at the Customer Service desk would have a clue anyway.

*Unless you want to send me some free ones! LOL


"Chris Rennert" wrote in message
...
Charles,

With money on the line, for me it is Daiichi , and nothing else. If I
was
going for a line class record, Daiichi, if I was in the bassmasters
classic,
Daiichi. I have used so many different hooks, Gamakatsu are have too
light
of wire, I don't like the cutting edge of Mustad or Eagle Claw, to me the
points bend to easy.
I guess I can't say enough about them, and wish I could send everyone
free
ones to try just so they knew as well!

Take care,

Dan,

Remember during the NWC, I pulled 2 Gammies open on Day 2? Gammies are very
sharp, and the thinner wire seems to help with quick penetration, but the
thinner wire I believe is also what kills those hooks, especially using
power-pro (or any super braid for that matter).
Daiichi are thicker than Gammies, and are as sharp if not sharper. The hook
point penetrates cleanly and doesn't cut , which could lead to the hook
backing itself out as it rotates in the fishes mouth. Cutting edge hooks
dull to quickly, and bend to easy at the point. Oxidation doesn't seem to
really be a factor (as I say this I opened my steelhead jig box to find 2
hair jigs made with daiichi hooks with rust on them......), but those are
the only 2 I have had rot on me. I have used everything from a #8 Daiichi
jig hook, and a #8 Salmon egg hook for steelhead and wouldn't trade them for
anything. Again my friends and I have experimented over the last 5 years
with every hook we could get our hands on and every single one of us goes
for the Daiichi. I pour all the jigs for our group (6 of us) for steelhead
and bass and if you asked each of them they would prefer Daiichi with money
on the line.

Dan, 100's of Steelhead, 100's of Bass, 100's of King and Coho Salmon, I
have seen hooks straightened, bent points, oxidation, and fish just pull out
for no reason at all. I don't take any chances any more, trophies are so
few and far between and from a tournament aspect, I can't afford to lose any
fish at all!

Just my $1.02

Chris
"Dan, danl, danny boy, Redbeard, actually Greybeard now"
wrote in message
...
On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 19:30:33 -0500, "Charles B. Summers"
sent into the ether:

For one... I can't seem to get my baits to lay straight on them. The gap
is
fine, but the point is a little too much inline with the eye giving me the
trouble. With the BPS hooks, I can rig in the dark with no problems. I
know
this may all be in my head, but I seem to miss more fish with them.

I think I'm going to pick up some of the Diachi hooks next time I'm out. I
haven't tried them yet.

Red? Hmm... guess I could try them too. Usually, I get the black nickle
hooks.
Charles,
I thought the red was a "red herring" (pun) at first, but looking back
at the change when I would switch to them, I have to say they make a
difference. Then I thought back to the small spinners I use for Trout
and how I increased my catch ratio by putting a tiny piece of red yarn
on the hook shank. I have plain steel, but I don't think I'll use
anything but red now. Although a short red yarn streamer might not be
a bad idea.

Chris,
Why do you like the Diachi's? I know I like the Gammies because I can
get the thinner wire hooks that I like and appear to me to have the
strength I am looking for. I have yet to have one bend or break with
a fish on. The points seem to stay sharp longer too. I have to admit
I have not tried the Diachi hooks. Yet.



"Dan, danl, danny boy, Redbeard, actually Greybeard now"
wrote in message
. ..
On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 15:32:57 -0500, "Charles B. Summers"
sent into the ether:

I lost a fish yesterday that definately would have helped my standings,
due
to a bad hook. I generally have no problems with the BPS hooks, but
then
again, every now and then I get one that wants to bend very easily.
Yesterday was a good example. I set the hook on a fish and missed. I
knew
good and well that he was there and felt the fish as I set the hook.
When
I
reeled in my line, I noticed the the hook was bent like I had hung up
on
a
rock... except there wasn't enough pressure for a bend like that. I
examined
the hook to find that I could easily bend that thing in any direction I
wanted to, and it would remain in that position.

So, I'm going to be looking for another hook that I can use and won't
bend.
I've tried the gammy's and the owners, but didn't like the gammys and
the
owners are way too expensive. Anyone have any suggestions? (EWG - 2/0,
3/0,
4/0)

Why didn't you like the Gammies Charles. I love those hooks. I have
yet to get a bad one. I try to stay with the lighter wire styles
instead of the heavier ones. Now I have started using the reds. I
actually think the reds are making a difference.

Depending on what I am doing I use 1/0, 2/0, 3/0 or 4/0. All are
offset style straight worm hooks used Texas style for the most part.
I have some big craws I started using and was wondering do they make a
5/0?

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Dan,

Remember during the NWC, I pulled 2 Gammies open on Day 2? Gammies are very
sharp, and the thinner wire seems to help with quick penetration, but the
thinner wire I believe is also what kills those hooks, especially using
power-pro (or any super braid for that matter).
Daiichi are thicker than Gammies, and are as sharp if not sharper. The hook
point penetrates cleanly and doesn't cut , which could lead to the hook
backing itself out as it rotates in the fishes mouth. Cutting edge hooks
dull to quickly, and bend to easy at the point. Oxidation doesn't seem to
really be a factor (as I say this I opened my steelhead jig box to find 2
hair jigs made with daiichi hooks with rust on them......), but those are
the only 2 I have had rot on me. I have used everything from a #8 Daiichi
jig hook, and a #8 Salmon egg hook for steelhead and wouldn't trade them for
anything. Again my friends and I have experimented over the last 5 years
with every hook we could get our hands on and every single one of us goes
for the Daiichi. I pour all the jigs for our group (6 of us) for steelhead
and bass and if you asked each of them they would prefer Daiichi with money
on the line.

Dan, 100's of Steelhead, 100's of Bass, 100's of King and Coho Salmon, I
have seen hooks straightened, bent points, oxidation, and fish just pull out
for no reason at all. I don't take any chances any more, trophies are so
few and far between and from a tournament aspect, I can't afford to lose any
fish at all!

Just my $1.02

Chris
"Dan, danl, danny boy, Redbeard, actually Greybeard now"
wrote in message
...
On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 19:30:33 -0500, "Charles B. Summers"
sent into the ether:

For one... I can't seem to get my baits to lay straight on them. The gap
is
fine, but the point is a little too much inline with the eye giving me the
trouble. With the BPS hooks, I can rig in the dark with no problems. I
know
this may all be in my head, but I seem to miss more fish with them.

I think I'm going to pick up some of the Diachi hooks next time I'm out. I
haven't tried them yet.

Red? Hmm... guess I could try them too. Usually, I get the black nickle
hooks.
Charles,
I thought the red was a "red herring" (pun) at first, but looking back
at the change when I would switch to them, I have to say they make a
difference. Then I thought back to the small spinners I use for Trout
and how I increased my catch ratio by putting a tiny piece of red yarn
on the hook shank. I have plain steel, but I don't think I'll use
anything but red now. Although a short red yarn streamer might not be
a bad idea.

Chris,
Why do you like the Diachi's? I know I like the Gammies because I can
get the thinner wire hooks that I like and appear to me to have the
strength I am looking for. I have yet to have one bend or break with
a fish on. The points seem to stay sharp longer too. I have to admit
I have not tried the Diachi hooks. Yet.



"Dan, danl, danny boy, Redbeard, actually Greybeard now"
wrote in message
. ..
On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 15:32:57 -0500, "Charles B. Summers"
sent into the ether:

I lost a fish yesterday that definately would have helped my standings,
due
to a bad hook. I generally have no problems with the BPS hooks, but
then
again, every now and then I get one that wants to bend very easily.
Yesterday was a good example. I set the hook on a fish and missed. I
knew
good and well that he was there and felt the fish as I set the hook.
When
I
reeled in my line, I noticed the the hook was bent like I had hung up
on
a
rock... except there wasn't enough pressure for a bend like that. I
examined
the hook to find that I could easily bend that thing in any direction I
wanted to, and it would remain in that position.

So, I'm going to be looking for another hook that I can use and won't
bend.
I've tried the gammy's and the owners, but didn't like the gammys and
the
owners are way too expensive. Anyone have any suggestions? (EWG - 2/0,
3/0,
4/0)

Why didn't you like the Gammies Charles. I love those hooks. I have
yet to get a bad one. I try to stay with the lighter wire styles
instead of the heavier ones. Now I have started using the reds. I
actually think the reds are making a difference.

Depending on what I am doing I use 1/0, 2/0, 3/0 or 4/0. All are
offset style straight worm hooks used Texas style for the most part.
I have some big craws I started using and was wondering do they make a
5/0?

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I was just kidding Chris... but I appreciate it!


"Chris Rennert" wrote in message
...
Truthfully Charles, the last extras I had went to Warren a couple weeks
ago.
I would do it in a second if I had some extra. I actually have to get a
bunch of them over the winter to restock before the season starts again.

Chris
"Charles B. Summers" wrote in message
...
Think I'll pick some of these up next time I'm at Bass Pro Shops*. I
wish
I
would have saved that other hook just to show them... but I doubt the
girls
at the Customer Service desk would have a clue anyway.

*Unless you want to send me some free ones! LOL


"Chris Rennert" wrote in message
...
Charles,

With money on the line, for me it is Daiichi , and nothing else. If I
was
going for a line class record, Daiichi, if I was in the bassmasters
classic,
Daiichi. I have used so many different hooks, Gamakatsu are have too
light
of wire, I don't like the cutting edge of Mustad or Eagle Claw, to me
the
points bend to easy.
I guess I can't say enough about them, and wish I could send everyone
free
ones to try just so they knew as well!

Take care,

I was just kidding Chris... but I appreciate it!


"Chris Rennert" wrote in message
...
Truthfully Charles, the last extras I had went to Warren a couple weeks
ago.
I would do it in a second if I had some extra. I actually have to get a
bunch of them over the winter to restock before the season starts again.

Chris
"Charles B. Summers" wrote in message
...
Think I'll pick some of these up next time I'm at Bass Pro Shops*. I
wish
I
would have saved that other hook just to show them... but I doubt the
girls
at the Customer Service desk would have a clue anyway.

*Unless you want to send me some free ones! LOL


"Chris Rennert" wrote in message
...
Charles,

With money on the line, for me it is Daiichi , and nothing else. If I
was
going for a line class record, Daiichi, if I was in the bassmasters
classic,
Daiichi. I have used so many different hooks, Gamakatsu are have too
light
of wire, I don't like the cutting edge of Mustad or Eagle Claw, to me
the
points bend to easy.
I guess I can't say enough about them, and wish I could send everyone
free
ones to try just so they knew as well!

Take care,

Gamagatzu



"Charles B. Summers" wrote in message
...
I lost a fish yesterday that definately would have helped my standings,
due
to a bad hook. I generally have no problems with the BPS hooks, but then
again, every now and then I get one that wants to bend very easily.
Yesterday was a good example. I set the hook on a fish and missed. I knew
good and well that he was there and felt the fish as I set the hook. When
I
reeled in my line, I noticed the the hook was bent like I had hung up on a
rock... except there wasn't enough pressure for a bend like that. I
examined
the hook to find that I could easily bend that thing in any direction I
wanted to, and it would remain in that position.

So, I'm going to be looking for another hook that I can use and won't
bend.
I've tried the gammy's and the owners, but didn't like the gammys and the
owners are way too expensive. Anyone have any suggestions? (EWG - 2/0,
3/0,
4/0)

Gamagatzu



"Charles B. Summers" wrote in message
...
I lost a fish yesterday that definately would have helped my standings,
due
to a bad hook. I generally have no problems with the BPS hooks, but then
again, every now and then I get one that wants to bend very easily.
Yesterday was a good example. I set the hook on a fish and missed. I knew
good and well that he was there and felt the fish as I set the hook. When
I
reeled in my line, I noticed the the hook was bent like I had hung up on a
rock... except there wasn't enough pressure for a bend like that. I
examined
the hook to find that I could easily bend that thing in any direction I
wanted to, and it would remain in that position.

So, I'm going to be looking for another hook that I can use and won't
bend.
I've tried the gammy's and the owners, but didn't like the gammys and the
owners are way too expensive. Anyone have any suggestions? (EWG - 2/0,
3/0,
4/0)

I am strictly a recreational angler, but I use Rapala/VMC #7316. Just like a
Gammy EWG, but with a locking bend. They're a tad less sharp out of the box,
but sharp enough, however, just one or two strokes with a file will make a
difference if you want. But then, I don't meet up with the big slobs that
you Tennesseans do.

For me, those hooks are an excellent blend of quality and price.

I am strictly a recreational angler, but I use Rapala/VMC #7316. Just like a
Gammy EWG, but with a locking bend. They're a tad less sharp out of the box,
but sharp enough, however, just one or two strokes with a file will make a
difference if you want. But then, I don't meet up with the big slobs that
you Tennesseans do.

For me, those hooks are an excellent blend of quality and price.