BPS Hook are NOT for tournament anglers...

"Charles B. Summers" wrote in message
...
I lost a fish yesterday that definately would have helped my standings,
due
to a bad hook. I generally have no problems with the BPS hooks, but then
again, every now and then I get one that wants to bend very easily.
Yesterday was a good example. I set the hook on a fish and missed. I knew
good and well that he was there and felt the fish as I set the hook. When
I
reeled in my line, I noticed the the hook was bent like I had hung up on a
rock... except there wasn't enough pressure for a bend like that. I
examined
the hook to find that I could easily bend that thing in any direction I
wanted to, and it would remain in that position.

So, I'm going to be looking for another hook that I can use and won't
bend.
I've tried the gammy's and the owners, but didn't like the gammys and the
owners are way too expensive. Anyone have any suggestions? (EWG - 2/0,
3/0,
4/0)



Charles,

I like the Gamakatsu and Eagle Claw Laser Sharp hooks. The Eagle Claws
appear to be a bit more stout and don't bend as easily, but I like the way
the Gammi's penetrate and especially the way a Fluke type bait works with
the weight of this hook.

I do have to back off a bit on the pressure I apply to a fish when using the
Gammi's as the lighter wire can straighten with 50 pound PowerPro and a
flippin stick, but even then, it doesn't seem to be much of a problem.

Afterall, I did manage to get a seven foot alligator to the boat three times
on a Fluke and a 5/0 Gammi hook.
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"Charles B. Summers" wrote in message
...
I lost a fish yesterday that definately would have helped my standings,
due
to a bad hook. I generally have no problems with the BPS hooks, but then
again, every now and then I get one that wants to bend very easily.
Yesterday was a good example. I set the hook on a fish and missed. I knew
good and well that he was there and felt the fish as I set the hook. When
I
reeled in my line, I noticed the the hook was bent like I had hung up on a
rock... except there wasn't enough pressure for a bend like that. I
examined
the hook to find that I could easily bend that thing in any direction I
wanted to, and it would remain in that position.

So, I'm going to be looking for another hook that I can use and won't
bend.
I've tried the gammy's and the owners, but didn't like the gammys and the
owners are way too expensive. Anyone have any suggestions? (EWG - 2/0,
3/0,
4/0)



Charles,

I like the Gamakatsu and Eagle Claw Laser Sharp hooks. The Eagle Claws
appear to be a bit more stout and don't bend as easily, but I like the way
the Gammi's penetrate and especially the way a Fluke type bait works with
the weight of this hook.

I do have to back off a bit on the pressure I apply to a fish when using the
Gammi's as the lighter wire can straighten with 50 pound PowerPro and a
flippin stick, but even then, it doesn't seem to be much of a problem.

Afterall, I did manage to get a seven foot alligator to the boat three times
on a Fluke and a 5/0 Gammi hook.
--
Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers
http://www.outdoorfrontiers.com
G & S Guide Service and Custom Rods
http://www.herefishyfishy.com

Daiichi make s alot of different hooks. One of them is sure to do the trick
for you.

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"Charles B. Summers" wrote in message
...
For one... I can't seem to get my baits to lay straight on them. The gap
is
fine, but the point is a little too much inline with the eye giving me the
trouble. With the BPS hooks, I can rig in the dark with no problems. I
know
this may all be in my head, but I seem to miss more fish with them.

I think I'm going to pick up some of the Diachi hooks next time I'm out. I
haven't tried them yet.

Red? Hmm... guess I could try them too. Usually, I get the black nickle
hooks.

"Dan, danl, danny boy, Redbeard, actually Greybeard now"
wrote in message
...
On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 15:32:57 -0500, "Charles B. Summers"
sent into the ether:

I lost a fish yesterday that definately would have helped my standings,
due
to a bad hook. I generally have no problems with the BPS hooks, but
then
again, every now and then I get one that wants to bend very easily.
Yesterday was a good example. I set the hook on a fish and missed. I
knew
good and well that he was there and felt the fish as I set the hook.
When
I
reeled in my line, I noticed the the hook was bent like I had hung up
on
a
rock... except there wasn't enough pressure for a bend like that. I
examined
the hook to find that I could easily bend that thing in any direction I
wanted to, and it would remain in that position.

So, I'm going to be looking for another hook that I can use and won't
bend.
I've tried the gammy's and the owners, but didn't like the gammys and
the
owners are way too expensive. Anyone have any suggestions? (EWG - 2/0,
3/0,
4/0)

Why didn't you like the Gammies Charles. I love those hooks. I have
yet to get a bad one. I try to stay with the lighter wire styles
instead of the heavier ones. Now I have started using the reds. I
actually think the reds are making a difference.

Depending on what I am doing I use 1/0, 2/0, 3/0 or 4/0. All are
offset style straight worm hooks used Texas style for the most part.
I have some big craws I started using and was wondering do they make a
5/0?

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"Charles B. Summers" wrote in message
...
For one... I can't seem to get my baits to lay straight on them. The gap
is
fine, but the point is a little too much inline with the eye giving me the
trouble. With the BPS hooks, I can rig in the dark with no problems. I
know
this may all be in my head, but I seem to miss more fish with them.

I think I'm going to pick up some of the Diachi hooks next time I'm out. I
haven't tried them yet.

Red? Hmm... guess I could try them too. Usually, I get the black nickle
hooks.

"Dan, danl, danny boy, Redbeard, actually Greybeard now"
wrote in message
...
On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 15:32:57 -0500, "Charles B. Summers"
sent into the ether:

I lost a fish yesterday that definately would have helped my standings,
due
to a bad hook. I generally have no problems with the BPS hooks, but
then
again, every now and then I get one that wants to bend very easily.
Yesterday was a good example. I set the hook on a fish and missed. I
knew
good and well that he was there and felt the fish as I set the hook.
When
I
reeled in my line, I noticed the the hook was bent like I had hung up
on
a
rock... except there wasn't enough pressure for a bend like that. I
examined
the hook to find that I could easily bend that thing in any direction I
wanted to, and it would remain in that position.

So, I'm going to be looking for another hook that I can use and won't
bend.
I've tried the gammy's and the owners, but didn't like the gammys and
the
owners are way too expensive. Anyone have any suggestions? (EWG - 2/0,
3/0,
4/0)

Why didn't you like the Gammies Charles. I love those hooks. I have
yet to get a bad one. I try to stay with the lighter wire styles
instead of the heavier ones. Now I have started using the reds. I
actually think the reds are making a difference.

Depending on what I am doing I use 1/0, 2/0, 3/0 or 4/0. All are
offset style straight worm hooks used Texas style for the most part.
I have some big craws I started using and was wondering do they make a
5/0?

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I looked at the VMC's and I like them... only thing is I can't find them
locally.


"Marty" wrote in message
news
I am strictly a recreational angler, but I use Rapala/VMC #7316. Just like
a
Gammy EWG, but with a locking bend. They're a tad less sharp out of the
box,
but sharp enough, however, just one or two strokes with a file will make a
difference if you want. But then, I don't meet up with the big slobs that
you Tennesseans do.

For me, those hooks are an excellent blend of quality and price.

On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 02:01:34 GMT, "Chris Rennert"
sent into the ether:

Dan,

Remember during the NWC, I pulled 2 Gammies open on Day 2? Gammies are very
sharp, and the thinner wire seems to help with quick penetration, but the
thinner wire I believe is also what kills those hooks, especially using
power-pro (or any super braid for that matter).

I do not remember that, but I believe you. I too use power pro &
fireline and I have never bent a Gammie with a fish on to my
knowledge. I also noticed I do not use rods with as stiff a backbone
as yours appeared to be.
Remember the problem I had at the NWC day 2 with you?
I mind blanked and forgot to lighten up on my drag on the reel I was
losing fish on. After I had turned them in cover they would come off
after about 2 to 5 feet of retrieve. I can't even remember why I had
that reel cranked down :{ None of those hooks appeared to be bent.
After that I have been checking Bass and I have noticed more tears in
the mouth when using the Gammie 3/0 and 4/0 offset worm hooks as
opposed to the 1/0 & 2/0. This might be the result of a finer wire
type hook in those sizes and I will try some heavier types in the
future. I normally have the drag set to activate on a heavy hookset
cause I still forget and really reef on them once in a while.

There might even be a problem with the wire style 3/0, 4/0 hook
bending and snapping back into shape on hookset. Or it could be
bending or twisting and slidding in the fishes mouth only to hook into
the softer outer portions of the jaw. I usually look at the mouth
around the hook to see if I can tell what is happening and so far have
not noticed any scrapes or gouges from a hook slidding.

I am not aware the Gammies I use are having problems with either
oxidation or dulling.

Daiichi are thicker than Gammies, and are as sharp if not sharper. The hook
point penetrates cleanly and doesn't cut , which could lead to the hook
backing itself out as it rotates in the fishes mouth. Cutting edge hooks
dull to quickly, and bend to easy at the point. Oxidation doesn't seem to
really be a factor (as I say this I opened my steelhead jig box to find 2
hair jigs made with daiichi hooks with rust on them......), but those are
the only 2 I have had rot on me. I have used everything from a #8 Daiichi
jig hook, and a #8 Salmon egg hook for steelhead and wouldn't trade them for
anything. Again my friends and I have experimented over the last 5 years
with every hook we could get our hands on and every single one of us goes
for the Daiichi. I pour all the jigs for our group (6 of us) for steelhead
and bass and if you asked each of them they would prefer Daiichi with money
on the line.

Dan, 100's of Steelhead, 100's of Bass, 100's of King and Coho Salmon, I
have seen hooks straightened, bent points, oxidation, and fish just pull out
for no reason at all. I don't take any chances any more, trophies are so
few and far between and from a tournament aspect, I can't afford to lose any
fish at all!

I have been using Gammies for many years in many tournies (some
summers fishing 3 evening and 2 weekend tournies a week) and have not
noticed a problem with them until using strictly the 3/0 and 4/0
sizes. For the most part I used the 1/0 & 2/0 because of the ability
of the baits I was and to some extent still using to fall slower with
the lighter hooks.

I may have to wait until next spring to try out different theories.
My hands are giving me lots of problems this fall. It's hell getting
old!!!

Here's $00.43 in change :}


Just my $1.02

Chris
"Dan, danl, danny boy, Redbeard, actually Greybeard now"
wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 19:30:33 -0500, "Charles B. Summers"
sent into the ether:

For one... I can't seem to get my baits to lay straight on them. The gap
is
fine, but the point is a little too much inline with the eye giving me the
trouble. With the BPS hooks, I can rig in the dark with no problems. I
know
this may all be in my head, but I seem to miss more fish with them.

I think I'm going to pick up some of the Diachi hooks next time I'm out. I
haven't tried them yet.

Red? Hmm... guess I could try them too. Usually, I get the black nickle
hooks.
Charles,
I thought the red was a "red herring" (pun) at first, but looking back
at the change when I would switch to them, I have to say they make a
difference. Then I thought back to the small spinners I use for Trout
and how I increased my catch ratio by putting a tiny piece of red yarn
on the hook shank. I have plain steel, but I don't think I'll use
anything but red now. Although a short red yarn streamer might not be
a bad idea.

Chris,
Why do you like the Diachi's? I know I like the Gammies because I can
get the thinner wire hooks that I like and appear to me to have the
strength I am looking for. I have yet to have one bend or break with
a fish on. The points seem to stay sharp longer too. I have to admit
I have not tried the Diachi hooks. Yet.



"Dan, danl, danny boy, Redbeard, actually Greybeard now"
wrote in message
...
On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 15:32:57 -0500, "Charles B. Summers"
sent into the ether:

I lost a fish yesterday that definately would have helped my standings,
due
to a bad hook. I generally have no problems with the BPS hooks, but
then
again, every now and then I get one that wants to bend very easily.
Yesterday was a good example. I set the hook on a fish and missed. I
knew
good and well that he was there and felt the fish as I set the hook.
When
I
reeled in my line, I noticed the the hook was bent like I had hung up
on
a
rock... except there wasn't enough pressure for a bend like that. I
examined
the hook to find that I could easily bend that thing in any direction I
wanted to, and it would remain in that position.

So, I'm going to be looking for another hook that I can use and won't
bend.
I've tried the gammy's and the owners, but didn't like the gammys and
the
owners are way too expensive. Anyone have any suggestions? (EWG - 2/0,
3/0,
4/0)

Why didn't you like the Gammies Charles. I love those hooks. I have
yet to get a bad one. I try to stay with the lighter wire styles
instead of the heavier ones. Now I have started using the reds. I
actually think the reds are making a difference.

Depending on what I am doing I use 1/0, 2/0, 3/0 or 4/0. All are
offset style straight worm hooks used Texas style for the most part.
I have some big craws I started using and was wondering do they make a
5/0?

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On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 02:01:34 GMT, "Chris Rennert"
sent into the ether:

Dan,

Remember during the NWC, I pulled 2 Gammies open on Day 2? Gammies are very
sharp, and the thinner wire seems to help with quick penetration, but the
thinner wire I believe is also what kills those hooks, especially using
power-pro (or any super braid for that matter).

I do not remember that, but I believe you. I too use power pro &
fireline and I have never bent a Gammie with a fish on to my
knowledge. I also noticed I do not use rods with as stiff a backbone
as yours appeared to be.
Remember the problem I had at the NWC day 2 with you?
I mind blanked and forgot to lighten up on my drag on the reel I was
losing fish on. After I had turned them in cover they would come off
after about 2 to 5 feet of retrieve. I can't even remember why I had
that reel cranked down :{ None of those hooks appeared to be bent.
After that I have been checking Bass and I have noticed more tears in
the mouth when using the Gammie 3/0 and 4/0 offset worm hooks as
opposed to the 1/0 & 2/0. This might be the result of a finer wire
type hook in those sizes and I will try some heavier types in the
future. I normally have the drag set to activate on a heavy hookset
cause I still forget and really reef on them once in a while.

There might even be a problem with the wire style 3/0, 4/0 hook
bending and snapping back into shape on hookset. Or it could be
bending or twisting and slidding in the fishes mouth only to hook into
the softer outer portions of the jaw. I usually look at the mouth
around the hook to see if I can tell what is happening and so far have
not noticed any scrapes or gouges from a hook slidding.

I am not aware the Gammies I use are having problems with either
oxidation or dulling.

Daiichi are thicker than Gammies, and are as sharp if not sharper. The hook
point penetrates cleanly and doesn't cut , which could lead to the hook
backing itself out as it rotates in the fishes mouth. Cutting edge hooks
dull to quickly, and bend to easy at the point. Oxidation doesn't seem to
really be a factor (as I say this I opened my steelhead jig box to find 2
hair jigs made with daiichi hooks with rust on them......), but those are
the only 2 I have had rot on me. I have used everything from a #8 Daiichi
jig hook, and a #8 Salmon egg hook for steelhead and wouldn't trade them for
anything. Again my friends and I have experimented over the last 5 years
with every hook we could get our hands on and every single one of us goes
for the Daiichi. I pour all the jigs for our group (6 of us) for steelhead
and bass and if you asked each of them they would prefer Daiichi with money
on the line.

Dan, 100's of Steelhead, 100's of Bass, 100's of King and Coho Salmon, I
have seen hooks straightened, bent points, oxidation, and fish just pull out
for no reason at all. I don't take any chances any more, trophies are so
few and far between and from a tournament aspect, I can't afford to lose any
fish at all!

I have been using Gammies for many years in many tournies (some
summers fishing 3 evening and 2 weekend tournies a week) and have not
noticed a problem with them until using strictly the 3/0 and 4/0
sizes. For the most part I used the 1/0 & 2/0 because of the ability
of the baits I was and to some extent still using to fall slower with
the lighter hooks.

I may have to wait until next spring to try out different theories.
My hands are giving me lots of problems this fall. It's hell getting
old!!!

Here's $00.43 in change :}


Just my $1.02

Chris
"Dan, danl, danny boy, Redbeard, actually Greybeard now"
wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 19:30:33 -0500, "Charles B. Summers"
sent into the ether:

For one... I can't seem to get my baits to lay straight on them. The gap
is
fine, but the point is a little too much inline with the eye giving me the
trouble. With the BPS hooks, I can rig in the dark with no problems. I
know
this may all be in my head, but I seem to miss more fish with them.

I think I'm going to pick up some of the Diachi hooks next time I'm out. I
haven't tried them yet.

Red? Hmm... guess I could try them too. Usually, I get the black nickle
hooks.
Charles,
I thought the red was a "red herring" (pun) at first, but looking back
at the change when I would switch to them, I have to say they make a
difference. Then I thought back to the small spinners I use for Trout
and how I increased my catch ratio by putting a tiny piece of red yarn
on the hook shank. I have plain steel, but I don't think I'll use
anything but red now. Although a short red yarn streamer might not be
a bad idea.

Chris,
Why do you like the Diachi's? I know I like the Gammies because I can
get the thinner wire hooks that I like and appear to me to have the
strength I am looking for. I have yet to have one bend or break with
a fish on. The points seem to stay sharp longer too. I have to admit
I have not tried the Diachi hooks. Yet.



"Dan, danl, danny boy, Redbeard, actually Greybeard now"
wrote in message
...
On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 15:32:57 -0500, "Charles B. Summers"
sent into the ether:

I lost a fish yesterday that definately would have helped my standings,
due
to a bad hook. I generally have no problems with the BPS hooks, but
then
again, every now and then I get one that wants to bend very easily.
Yesterday was a good example. I set the hook on a fish and missed. I
knew
good and well that he was there and felt the fish as I set the hook.
When
I
reeled in my line, I noticed the the hook was bent like I had hung up
on
a
rock... except there wasn't enough pressure for a bend like that. I
examined
the hook to find that I could easily bend that thing in any direction I
wanted to, and it would remain in that position.

So, I'm going to be looking for another hook that I can use and won't
bend.
I've tried the gammy's and the owners, but didn't like the gammys and
the
owners are way too expensive. Anyone have any suggestions? (EWG - 2/0,
3/0,
4/0)

Why didn't you like the Gammies Charles. I love those hooks. I have
yet to get a bad one. I try to stay with the lighter wire styles
instead of the heavier ones. Now I have started using the reds. I
actually think the reds are making a difference.

Depending on what I am doing I use 1/0, 2/0, 3/0 or 4/0. All are
offset style straight worm hooks used Texas style for the most part.
I have some big craws I started using and was wondering do they make a
5/0?

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None of this is a problem with mono... LOL.


"Dan, danl, danny boy, Redbeard, actually Greybeard now"
wrote in message
...
On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 02:01:34 GMT, "Chris Rennert"
sent into the ether:

Dan,

Remember during the NWC, I pulled 2 Gammies open on Day 2? Gammies are
very
sharp, and the thinner wire seems to help with quick penetration, but the
thinner wire I believe is also what kills those hooks, especially using
power-pro (or any super braid for that matter).

I do not remember that, but I believe you. I too use power pro &
fireline and I have never bent a Gammie with a fish on to my
knowledge. I also noticed I do not use rods with as stiff a backbone
as yours appeared to be.
Remember the problem I had at the NWC day 2 with you?
I mind blanked and forgot to lighten up on my drag on the reel I was
losing fish on. After I had turned them in cover they would come off
after about 2 to 5 feet of retrieve. I can't even remember why I had
that reel cranked down :{ None of those hooks appeared to be bent.
After that I have been checking Bass and I have noticed more tears in
the mouth when using the Gammie 3/0 and 4/0 offset worm hooks as
opposed to the 1/0 & 2/0. This might be the result of a finer wire
type hook in those sizes and I will try some heavier types in the
future. I normally have the drag set to activate on a heavy hookset
cause I still forget and really reef on them once in a while.

There might even be a problem with the wire style 3/0, 4/0 hook
bending and snapping back into shape on hookset. Or it could be
bending or twisting and slidding in the fishes mouth only to hook into
the softer outer portions of the jaw. I usually look at the mouth
around the hook to see if I can tell what is happening and so far have
not noticed any scrapes or gouges from a hook slidding.

I am not aware the Gammies I use are having problems with either
oxidation or dulling.

Daiichi are thicker than Gammies, and are as sharp if not sharper. The
hook
point penetrates cleanly and doesn't cut , which could lead to the hook
backing itself out as it rotates in the fishes mouth. Cutting edge hooks
dull to quickly, and bend to easy at the point. Oxidation doesn't seem
to
really be a factor (as I say this I opened my steelhead jig box to find 2
hair jigs made with daiichi hooks with rust on them......), but those are
the only 2 I have had rot on me. I have used everything from a #8
Daiichi
jig hook, and a #8 Salmon egg hook for steelhead and wouldn't trade them
for
anything. Again my friends and I have experimented over the last 5 years
with every hook we could get our hands on and every single one of us goes
for the Daiichi. I pour all the jigs for our group (6 of us) for
steelhead
and bass and if you asked each of them they would prefer Daiichi with
money
on the line.

Dan, 100's of Steelhead, 100's of Bass, 100's of King and Coho Salmon, I
have seen hooks straightened, bent points, oxidation, and fish just pull
out
for no reason at all. I don't take any chances any more, trophies are so
few and far between and from a tournament aspect, I can't afford to lose
any
fish at all!

I have been using Gammies for many years in many tournies (some
summers fishing 3 evening and 2 weekend tournies a week) and have not
noticed a problem with them until using strictly the 3/0 and 4/0
sizes. For the most part I used the 1/0 & 2/0 because of the ability
of the baits I was and to some extent still using to fall slower with
the lighter hooks.

I may have to wait until next spring to try out different theories.
My hands are giving me lots of problems this fall. It's hell getting
old!!!

Here's $00.43 in change :}


Just my $1.02

Chris
"Dan, danl, danny boy, Redbeard, actually Greybeard now"
wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 19:30:33 -0500, "Charles B. Summers"
sent into the ether:

For one... I can't seem to get my baits to lay straight on them. The
gap
is
fine, but the point is a little too much inline with the eye giving me
the
trouble. With the BPS hooks, I can rig in the dark with no problems. I
know
this may all be in my head, but I seem to miss more fish with them.

I think I'm going to pick up some of the Diachi hooks next time I'm
out. I
haven't tried them yet.

Red? Hmm... guess I could try them too. Usually, I get the black nickle
hooks.
Charles,
I thought the red was a "red herring" (pun) at first, but looking back
at the change when I would switch to them, I have to say they make a
difference. Then I thought back to the small spinners I use for Trout
and how I increased my catch ratio by putting a tiny piece of red yarn
on the hook shank. I have plain steel, but I don't think I'll use
anything but red now. Although a short red yarn streamer might not be
a bad idea.

Chris,
Why do you like the Diachi's? I know I like the Gammies because I can
get the thinner wire hooks that I like and appear to me to have the
strength I am looking for. I have yet to have one bend or break with
a fish on. The points seem to stay sharp longer too. I have to admit
I have not tried the Diachi hooks. Yet.



"Dan, danl, danny boy, Redbeard, actually Greybeard now"
wrote in message
...
On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 15:32:57 -0500, "Charles B. Summers"
sent into the ether:

I lost a fish yesterday that definately would have helped my
standings,
due
to a bad hook. I generally have no problems with the BPS hooks, but
then
again, every now and then I get one that wants to bend very easily.
Yesterday was a good example. I set the hook on a fish and missed. I
knew
good and well that he was there and felt the fish as I set the hook.
When
I
reeled in my line, I noticed the the hook was bent like I had hung
up
on
a
rock... except there wasn't enough pressure for a bend like that. I
examined
the hook to find that I could easily bend that thing in any
direction I
wanted to, and it would remain in that position.

So, I'm going to be looking for another hook that I can use and
won't
bend.
I've tried the gammy's and the owners, but didn't like the gammys
and
the
owners are way too expensive. Anyone have any suggestions? (EWG -
2/0,
3/0,
4/0)

Why didn't you like the Gammies Charles. I love those hooks. I have
yet to get a bad one. I try to stay with the lighter wire styles
instead of the heavier ones. Now I have started using the reds. I
actually think the reds are making a difference.

Depending on what I am doing I use 1/0, 2/0, 3/0 or 4/0. All are
offset style straight worm hooks used Texas style for the most part.
I have some big craws I started using and was wondering do they make
a
5/0?

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None of this is a problem with mono... LOL.


"Dan, danl, danny boy, Redbeard, actually Greybeard now"
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On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 02:01:34 GMT, "Chris Rennert"
sent into the ether:

Dan,

Remember during the NWC, I pulled 2 Gammies open on Day 2? Gammies are
very
sharp, and the thinner wire seems to help with quick penetration, but the
thinner wire I believe is also what kills those hooks, especially using
power-pro (or any super braid for that matter).

I do not remember that, but I believe you. I too use power pro &
fireline and I have never bent a Gammie with a fish on to my
knowledge. I also noticed I do not use rods with as stiff a backbone
as yours appeared to be.
Remember the problem I had at the NWC day 2 with you?
I mind blanked and forgot to lighten up on my drag on the reel I was
losing fish on. After I had turned them in cover they would come off
after about 2 to 5 feet of retrieve. I can't even remember why I had
that reel cranked down :{ None of those hooks appeared to be bent.
After that I have been checking Bass and I have noticed more tears in
the mouth when using the Gammie 3/0 and 4/0 offset worm hooks as
opposed to the 1/0 & 2/0. This might be the result of a finer wire
type hook in those sizes and I will try some heavier types in the
future. I normally have the drag set to activate on a heavy hookset
cause I still forget and really reef on them once in a while.

There might even be a problem with the wire style 3/0, 4/0 hook
bending and snapping back into shape on hookset. Or it could be
bending or twisting and slidding in the fishes mouth only to hook into
the softer outer portions of the jaw. I usually look at the mouth
around the hook to see if I can tell what is happening and so far have
not noticed any scrapes or gouges from a hook slidding.

I am not aware the Gammies I use are having problems with either
oxidation or dulling.

Daiichi are thicker than Gammies, and are as sharp if not sharper. The
hook
point penetrates cleanly and doesn't cut , which could lead to the hook
backing itself out as it rotates in the fishes mouth. Cutting edge hooks
dull to quickly, and bend to easy at the point. Oxidation doesn't seem
to
really be a factor (as I say this I opened my steelhead jig box to find 2
hair jigs made with daiichi hooks with rust on them......), but those are
the only 2 I have had rot on me. I have used everything from a #8
Daiichi
jig hook, and a #8 Salmon egg hook for steelhead and wouldn't trade them
for
anything. Again my friends and I have experimented over the last 5 years
with every hook we could get our hands on and every single one of us goes
for the Daiichi. I pour all the jigs for our group (6 of us) for
steelhead
and bass and if you asked each of them they would prefer Daiichi with
money
on the line.

Dan, 100's of Steelhead, 100's of Bass, 100's of King and Coho Salmon, I
have seen hooks straightened, bent points, oxidation, and fish just pull
out
for no reason at all. I don't take any chances any more, trophies are so
few and far between and from a tournament aspect, I can't afford to lose
any
fish at all!

I have been using Gammies for many years in many tournies (some
summers fishing 3 evening and 2 weekend tournies a week) and have not
noticed a problem with them until using strictly the 3/0 and 4/0
sizes. For the most part I used the 1/0 & 2/0 because of the ability
of the baits I was and to some extent still using to fall slower with
the lighter hooks.

I may have to wait until next spring to try out different theories.
My hands are giving me lots of problems this fall. It's hell getting
old!!!

Here's $00.43 in change :}


Just my $1.02

Chris
"Dan, danl, danny boy, Redbeard, actually Greybeard now"
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.. .
On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 19:30:33 -0500, "Charles B. Summers"
sent into the ether:

For one... I can't seem to get my baits to lay straight on them. The
gap
is
fine, but the point is a little too much inline with the eye giving me
the
trouble. With the BPS hooks, I can rig in the dark with no problems. I
know
this may all be in my head, but I seem to miss more fish with them.

I think I'm going to pick up some of the Diachi hooks next time I'm
out. I
haven't tried them yet.

Red? Hmm... guess I could try them too. Usually, I get the black nickle
hooks.
Charles,
I thought the red was a "red herring" (pun) at first, but looking back
at the change when I would switch to them, I have to say they make a
difference. Then I thought back to the small spinners I use for Trout
and how I increased my catch ratio by putting a tiny piece of red yarn
on the hook shank. I have plain steel, but I don't think I'll use
anything but red now. Although a short red yarn streamer might not be
a bad idea.

Chris,
Why do you like the Diachi's? I know I like the Gammies because I can
get the thinner wire hooks that I like and appear to me to have the
strength I am looking for. I have yet to have one bend or break with
a fish on. The points seem to stay sharp longer too. I have to admit
I have not tried the Diachi hooks. Yet.



"Dan, danl, danny boy, Redbeard, actually Greybeard now"
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...
On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 15:32:57 -0500, "Charles B. Summers"
sent into the ether:

I lost a fish yesterday that definately would have helped my
standings,
due
to a bad hook. I generally have no problems with the BPS hooks, but
then
again, every now and then I get one that wants to bend very easily.
Yesterday was a good example. I set the hook on a fish and missed. I
knew
good and well that he was there and felt the fish as I set the hook.
When
I
reeled in my line, I noticed the the hook was bent like I had hung
up
on
a
rock... except there wasn't enough pressure for a bend like that. I
examined
the hook to find that I could easily bend that thing in any
direction I
wanted to, and it would remain in that position.

So, I'm going to be looking for another hook that I can use and
won't
bend.
I've tried the gammy's and the owners, but didn't like the gammys
and
the
owners are way too expensive. Anyone have any suggestions? (EWG -
2/0,
3/0,
4/0)

Why didn't you like the Gammies Charles. I love those hooks. I have
yet to get a bad one. I try to stay with the lighter wire styles
instead of the heavier ones. Now I have started using the reds. I
actually think the reds are making a difference.

Depending on what I am doing I use 1/0, 2/0, 3/0 or 4/0. All are
offset style straight worm hooks used Texas style for the most part.
I have some big craws I started using and was wondering do they make
a
5/0?

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"Charles Summers" wrote in message
...
I looked at the VMC's and I like them... only thing is I can't find them
locally.

I bought all mine locally, but both places stopped carrying them after they
ran out. Last I looked, I think staminainc.com carried them.