Uni-Leaders

Larry L wrote:
"Mike Connor" wrote

The modifications are quite simple as well. I use a needle knotted
butt section directly on my line, if necessary with two or more
sections, to obtain the diameter and taper I require, as the
knotless leader butt sections are usually of too small a diameter.
I use a leader ring at the end of the knotless leader, as I can then
change tippet, or droppers etc etc, with no fuss and bother, without
shortening or otherwise damaging the leader, and very quickly, and
without wasting nylon. This is also much more
flexible in use than knotted leaders.

Mike, a couple questions/ comments

I'm currently using mainly a section or two of maxima, as butt, tied
to a tapered leader with it's butt removed ... I like stiffer butts
than what I find on tapered leaders ... this sounds very much like
your, " if necessary with two or more sections, to
obtain the diameter and taper I require, as the knotless leader butt
sections are usually of too small a diameter" ... is it" or am I
reading your post incorrectly? If correct, then you are really
using a kind of 1/2 hand tied leader, like myself, right?

Second ... the phrase "leader ring" is entirely new to me ..... what
is this in American english ? g

In the previous, much diverted, loop thread I said I use loops, and I
do not out of loopophilia, rather ... mainly because its the BUTT
not the tippet that I feel the need to change to match different
techniques and conditions. Again this sounds much like your, "With
three knotless tapered leaders in different configurations, suitably
modified, I can use practically any standard technique, and a few
more besides " Are these three mainly BUTT differences?

After reading your post, i realized the main feature I like better about
hand tied leaders - the stiffer butt section. I've never tried it the
way Mike describes it, but my guess is that I would like the tapered
leader with butt section removed tied onto the stiffer butt section of
Maxima Chameleon (I sometimes use 30 pound / .022 inch, but usually 25
pound / .020 inch). It's just that the blood knot machine is soooooo
much fun, I can't stop! ;-)
--
TL,
Tim
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"Larry L" wrote in message
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SNIP

Mike, a couple questions/ comments

I'm currently using mainly a section or two of maxima, as butt, tied to a
tapered leader with it's butt removed ... I like stiffer butts than what I
find on tapered leaders ... this sounds very much like your, " if
necessary
with two or more sections, to
obtain the diameter and taper I require, as the knotless leader butt
sections are usually of too small a diameter" ... is it" or am I reading
your post incorrectly? If correct, then you are really using a kind of
1/2 hand tied leader, like myself, right?


That is correct.

Maxima leaders are pretty good though, I don´t usually have to change
anything, I merely add a butt section, and a leader ring at the approriate
length.


Second ... the phrase "leader ring" is entirely new to me ..... what is
this
in American english ? g


Leader ring =
http://www.sportfish-flyfishing.co.u...Tyers_964.html

In the previous, much diverted, loop thread I said I use loops, and I do
not
out of loopophilia, rather ... mainly because its the BUTT not the
tippet
that I feel the need to change to match different techniques and
conditions.
Again this sounds much like your, "With three knotless tapered leaders in
different configurations, suitably modified, I can use practically any
standard technique, and a few more besides " Are these three mainly
BUTT
differences? and you are nail knotting the correct one on as you change
conditions/ techniques even if they change several times a day ?



That is also correct. I modify the butts, and on the river I either change
the leaders, or modify the tippets as required.

Invariably the butts will not turn the leader over properly without
modification, and the tippets are not always as one wishes. This is easy and
quick to modify with the leader rings. One may also use "forcing butts", or
build "slack line leaders" and the like, merely by adding the appropriate
tippet to a previously modified leader.

One has less knots than in a knotted leader ( Amazing that! ), and one may
also use any diameter tippet as required, to force extreme turnover, extreme
drop, etc etc, merely by knotting the appropriate tippet to the ring. The
knots are secure, as they are not nylon to nylon, but nylon to ring, and
there is no need to observe the decreasing diameter rule ( Joining nylon of
widely varying diameter with blood, and other knots, is unreliable at best).

Really a very simple, versatile, effective, and cheap system.

TL
MC

"Larry L" wrote in message
...
SNIP

Mike, a couple questions/ comments

I'm currently using mainly a section or two of maxima, as butt, tied to a
tapered leader with it's butt removed ... I like stiffer butts than what I
find on tapered leaders ... this sounds very much like your, " if
necessary
with two or more sections, to
obtain the diameter and taper I require, as the knotless leader butt
sections are usually of too small a diameter" ... is it" or am I reading
your post incorrectly? If correct, then you are really using a kind of
1/2 hand tied leader, like myself, right?


That is correct.

Maxima leaders are pretty good though, I don´t usually have to change
anything, I merely add a butt section, and a leader ring at the approriate
length.


Second ... the phrase "leader ring" is entirely new to me ..... what is
this
in American english ? g


Leader ring =
http://www.sportfish-flyfishing.co.u...Tyers_964.html

In the previous, much diverted, loop thread I said I use loops, and I do
not
out of loopophilia, rather ... mainly because its the BUTT not the
tippet
that I feel the need to change to match different techniques and
conditions.
Again this sounds much like your, "With three knotless tapered leaders in
different configurations, suitably modified, I can use practically any
standard technique, and a few more besides " Are these three mainly
BUTT
differences? and you are nail knotting the correct one on as you change
conditions/ techniques even if they change several times a day ?



That is also correct. I modify the butts, and on the river I either change
the leaders, or modify the tippets as required.

Invariably the butts will not turn the leader over properly without
modification, and the tippets are not always as one wishes. This is easy and
quick to modify with the leader rings. One may also use "forcing butts", or
build "slack line leaders" and the like, merely by adding the appropriate
tippet to a previously modified leader.

One has less knots than in a knotted leader ( Amazing that! ), and one may
also use any diameter tippet as required, to force extreme turnover, extreme
drop, etc etc, merely by knotting the appropriate tippet to the ring. The
knots are secure, as they are not nylon to nylon, but nylon to ring, and
there is no need to observe the decreasing diameter rule ( Joining nylon of
widely varying diameter with blood, and other knots, is unreliable at best).

Really a very simple, versatile, effective, and cheap system.

TL
MC

"Mike Connor" wrote


Really a very simple, versatile, effective, and cheap system.



I had never heard of these rings ... wonder if I can find some in the USA or
order them shipped here ( for less than a huge cost ) how much is a £ these
days, in USD

"Mike Connor" wrote


Really a very simple, versatile, effective, and cheap system.



I had never heard of these rings ... wonder if I can find some in the USA or
order them shipped here ( for less than a huge cost ) how much is a £ these
days, in USD

"Mike Connor" wrote


Really a very simple, versatile, effective, and cheap system.



I had never heard of these rings ... wonder if I can find some in the USA or
order them shipped here ( for less than a huge cost ) how much is a £ these
days, in USD

"Mike Connor" wrote


Really a very simple, versatile, effective, and cheap system.



I had never heard of these rings ... wonder if I can find some in the USA or
order them shipped here ( for less than a huge cost ) how much is a £ these
days, in USD

"Larry L" wrote in message
...

"Mike Connor" wrote


Really a very simple, versatile, effective, and cheap system.



I had never heard of these rings ... wonder if I can find some in the USA
or
order them shipped here ( for less than a huge cost ) how much is a £
these
days, in USD



I have no idea what a pound sterling is worth in dollars. Whatever,
Sportfish will ship them to you, it is not that expensive. Apart from
which, if you search around, you will find them in the states. Several shops
there stock Roman Moser equipment, and he sells the rings as well.

At a pinch, simply go to your local watchmaker or jeweller, they use such
rings for various purposes, a box of twenty or so, ( which will last a
lifetime), costs a dollar or less. (About one Euro).

Once you have used them, you will never go back to buggering about with
complicated nylon to nylon knots, and shortening and ruining leaders when
changing tippets, droppers, etc etc.

TL
MC

"Larry L" wrote in message
...

"Mike Connor" wrote


Really a very simple, versatile, effective, and cheap system.



I had never heard of these rings ... wonder if I can find some in the USA
or
order them shipped here ( for less than a huge cost ) how much is a £
these
days, in USD



I have no idea what a pound sterling is worth in dollars. Whatever,
Sportfish will ship them to you, it is not that expensive. Apart from
which, if you search around, you will find them in the states. Several shops
there stock Roman Moser equipment, and he sells the rings as well.

At a pinch, simply go to your local watchmaker or jeweller, they use such
rings for various purposes, a box of twenty or so, ( which will last a
lifetime), costs a dollar or less. (About one Euro).

Once you have used them, you will never go back to buggering about with
complicated nylon to nylon knots, and shortening and ruining leaders when
changing tippets, droppers, etc etc.

TL
MC

"Larry L" wrote in message
...

"Mike Connor" wrote


Really a very simple, versatile, effective, and cheap system.



I had never heard of these rings ... wonder if I can find some in the USA
or
order them shipped here ( for less than a huge cost ) how much is a £
these
days, in USD



I have no idea what a pound sterling is worth in dollars. Whatever,
Sportfish will ship them to you, it is not that expensive. Apart from
which, if you search around, you will find them in the states. Several shops
there stock Roman Moser equipment, and he sells the rings as well.

At a pinch, simply go to your local watchmaker or jeweller, they use such
rings for various purposes, a box of twenty or so, ( which will last a
lifetime), costs a dollar or less. (About one Euro).

Once you have used them, you will never go back to buggering about with
complicated nylon to nylon knots, and shortening and ruining leaders when
changing tippets, droppers, etc etc.

TL
MC