Its looking grim

riverman wrote:
Votes are coming in, and it looks at last count like the best Kerry
can hope
for is to tie, where it goes to the (Republican-controlled) House.

It's the same zero sum game as 2000. Even if by some chance the results
in Ohio get changed to send the electoral votes to Kerry, he's going to
have to live with the won the college, lost the popular vote stuff Bush
dealth with.

It's over, best those of us who think Bush is a danger can hope for
right now is that over the next two years they screw up enough to get
these single issue people PO'd enough but not enough to do anymore
longer term damage and hopefully get control of the house away from the
republicans in 2006.

Nice of George to open the door to the first female US president in
2008. Another president Clinton on the way.

On 3 Nov 2004 05:48:40 -0800, "Wayne Knight"
wrote:


riverman wrote:
Votes are coming in, and it looks at last count like the best Kerry
can hope
for is to tie, where it goes to the (Republican-controlled) House.

It's the same zero sum game as 2000. Even if by some chance the results
in Ohio get changed to send the electoral votes to Kerry, he's going to
have to live with the won the college, lost the popular vote stuff Bush
dealth with.

It's over, best those of us who think Bush is a danger can hope for
right now is that over the next two years they screw up enough to get
these single issue people PO'd enough but not enough to do anymore
longer term damage and hopefully get control of the house away from the
republicans in 2006.

Nice of George to open the door to the first female US president in
2008. Another president Clinton on the way.


Whaddya think? A Jeb and Hillary match up?


g.c.

"George Cleveland" wrote in message
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On 3 Nov 2004 05:48:40 -0800, "Wayne Knight"
wrote:


riverman wrote:
Votes are coming in, and it looks at last count like the best
Kerry
can hope
for is to tie, where it goes to the (Republican-controlled)
House.

It's the same zero sum game as 2000. Even if by some chance the
results
in Ohio get changed to send the electoral votes to Kerry, he's
going to
have to live with the won the college, lost the popular vote stuff
Bush
dealth with.

It's over, best those of us who think Bush is a danger can hope for
right now is that over the next two years they screw up enough to
get
these single issue people PO'd enough but not enough to do anymore
longer term damage and hopefully get control of the house away from
the
republicans in 2006.

Nice of George to open the door to the first female US president in
2008. Another president Clinton on the way.


Whaddya think? A Jeb and Hillary match up?

Hm.....where would that leave Bill and Monica?

Wolfgang
who, despite his best efforts, continues to be more and more confused
by the intricacies of diplomacy.

GC writes:

Whaddya think? A Jeb and Hillary match up?

Nah! A Rudy and Hillary makes more sense.

On 03 Nov 2004 14:06:45 GMT, irate (Dave LaCourse)
wrote:

GC writes:

Whaddya think? A Jeb and Hillary match up?

Nah! A Rudy and Hillary makes more sense.








Do you think that the conservative Republicans will vote for him in
the primaries.


g.c.

"George Cleveland" wrote in message
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On 03 Nov 2004 14:06:45 GMT, irate (Dave LaCourse)
wrote:

GC writes:

Whaddya think? A Jeb and Hillary match up?

Nah! A Rudy and Hillary makes more sense.

Do you think that the conservative Republicans will vote for him in
the primaries.


I suspect that they'll do whatever God and their President tell them to do.

--riverman

riverman wrote:
George Cleveland wrote...
Dave LaCourse wrote:
GC writes:

Whaddya think? A Jeb and Hillary match up?

Nah! A Rudy and Hillary makes more sense.

Do you think that the conservative Republicans will vote for him in
the primaries.

I suspect that they'll do whatever God and their President tell them
to do.

In your present condescention mode, you *would* suspect that. Here's
what you *should* be considering, IMHO: The Dems offered no viable
alternative to Bush (which was all this election was about). By all
rights, someone with some uniting capabilities or a little charisma
should have been able to defeat Bush, and clearly would have done so.
Kerry offered neither quality. Ballots could have had two boxes in this
election, FOR BUSH and AGAINST BUSH, because Kerry brought nothing to
the table to vote FOR.
--
TL,
Tim
(who is obviously some hick farmer from the South or Midwest, and, if he
was from the South or Midwest would be ****ed at having his vote and
opinion lessened by the "educated elite" who "know better".)

Oh, and, for the greater good, EOT for me.
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http://css.sbcma.com/timj

"Tim J." wrote in message
...
riverman wrote:
TL,
Tim
(who is obviously some hick farmer from the South or Midwest, and, if he
was from the South or Midwest would be ****ed at having his vote and
opinion lessened by the "educated elite" who "know better".)

No, I think if you were some hick farmer from the South or Midwest, you'd
have no idea of what just happened, but you'd be overjoyed that you were now
personally safe from having a DC10 crash into your local WalMart, and proud
as hail that your nephew was protecting America by making Haliburton rich.
You'd not understand the fundamental crime against Capitalism it is to allow
Ken Lay and others to cut and run. And you'd find some way to blame the
screaming national debt and deteriorating foreign relations on Clinton. And
you'd probably say things like "Heck, the ice caps aren't gonna melt in the
next 4 years" and "Who needs wilderness areas anyway...no one ever goes
there!" And you'd think the French are a bunch of silly, inferior furrin
dimwits with foreign accents, and that the AyeRabs are all terrorists. And
you'd have no idea how much the "educated elite" you just re-empowered were
leading you around by the nose.

--riverman

EOT? Not even close. We all gotta LIVE with this one.

Tim J. wrote:
riverman wrote:

George Cleveland wrote...

Dave LaCourse wrote:

GC writes:


Whaddya think? A Jeb and Hillary match up?

Nah! A Rudy and Hillary makes more sense.


Do you think that the conservative Republicans will vote for him in
the primaries.

I suspect that they'll do whatever God and their President tell them
to do.


In your present condescention mode, you *would* suspect that. Here's
what you *should* be considering, IMHO: The Dems offered no viable
alternative to Bush (which was all this election was about). By all
rights, someone with some uniting capabilities or a little charisma
should have been able to defeat Bush, and clearly would have done so.
Kerry offered neither quality. Ballots could have had two boxes in this
election, FOR BUSH and AGAINST BUSH, because Kerry brought nothing to
the table to vote FOR.
One this is correct....Kerry was a ****-poor offering for the Democrats
to vote on. And I just saw where JK called the Prez to concede. I didn't
like either choice the parties offered. While Kerry was an out-of-touch
Easterner, I couldn't make myself vote for someone who says "Nukular". I
heard the election was between the Incompetent and the Incoherent. That
fits my take exactly. I see where the Bible Belt voted their religion
and not common sense. Most of the rural Republicans let their leaders in
Washington lead them around by the nose. Not a thinking man's party by
any stretch of the imagination. Lemmings all. But then you have the Dems
who want the government to pay for every damn thing. So..... this time I
voted my pocket book. It didn't matter which way I voted because Idaho
is one of if not THE most republican state - anything but a far-right
vote is discounted. I voted to go against the discontinuance of overtime
at work, against the deficit growing so damn big - pork included - and
the fact that my wife takes 15 necessary meds - costing us in excess of
300.00 w/ copay. I feel the republicans are in bed with the
pharmaceuticals (and other BIG businesses) and not watching out for the
middle class at all. I am a hunter and avid fly fisherman. I want the
government out of my life. And lower taxes - all right wing agendas, but
at the same time, I expect near pristine forests, fishing waters and air
- left wing agendas.

So now we have four more years of a little self-centered squat bodied
dipstick in the White House. So be it - at least time King George was
elected and not anointed. I don't think America will go to hell in a
hand basket but we sure are going to lose a lot more men and women in
the Middle East before it is all over.

Just My .02 cents worth.

Philski

From: "Tim J."

In your present condescention mode, you *would* suspect that. Here's
what you *should* be considering, IMHO: The Dems offered no viable
alternative to Bush (which was all this election was about).

By all
rights, someone with some uniting capabilities or a little charisma
should have been able to defeat Bush, and clearly would have done so.
Kerry offered neither quality.

100% on the money. Bush was very vulnerable in this election, and the
democratic party is so effed up, they not only couldn't take advantage of the
situation, they handed Bush the largest popular vote in history, the first
clear majority since 1988, and the electoral vote wasn't that close. Also,
there were significant Republican gains in congress. A message has been sent,
but I bet nobody is listening.

Here's a hint: If the dems want to beat Rudy in 2008, don't have trash like
Franken, Moore, and P. Diddey campaigning for you.


George Adams

"All good fishermen stay young until they die, for fishing is the only dream of
youth that doth not grow stale with age."
---- J.W Muller