Its looking grim

Myron writes:

Anyway, its not as simple as you stated, and by obstructing the Florida
ballot count through strange legal twists and turns, the Fed Supremes did,
indeed, hand the election to Bush.


I see...... So, how many recounts, in your estimation, should it take? Bush
won every single one, including the sneaky one where we counted only the ballot
from a predominately Democrat county. It was and continues to be a total
farce. There is no way better than a machine to tally the vote on a ballot
designed to be read by a machine. The networks eventually got all the ballots
and counted them and guess what? Bush still won. There were only those
disenfranchised voters who were too stupid to pick the correct candidate.

Do you believe there were disenfranchised voters in Florida for this election?
I don't believe so. In the 2000 election, the liberal networks called the
state *before* the panhandle had a chance to vote. Lots of folks (most of them
military or military retired) never got to vote. They *did* vote this time.

Myron, it is over and like Kerry himself has said, let us unite behind the
president and get the miserable job done.

From: "riverman"

No, I think if you were some hick farmer from the South or Midwest, you'd
have no idea of what just happened, but you'd be overjoyed that you were now
personally safe from having a DC10 crash into your local WalMart, and proud
as hail that your nephew was

protecting America by making Haliburton rich.
You'd not understand the fundamental crime against Capitalism it is to allow
Ken Lay and others to cut and run. And you'd find some way to blame the
screaming national debt and deteriorating foreign relations on
\Clinton. And
you'd probably say things like "Heck, the ice caps aren't gonna melt in the
next 4 years" and "Who needs wilderness areas anyway...no one ever goes
there!" And you'd think the French are a bunch of silly, inferior furrin
dimwits with foreign accents, and that the AyeRabs are all terrorists.

And
you'd have no idea how much the "educated elite" you just re-empowered were
leading you around by the nose

This is exactly the kind of elitist crap that cost Kerry & Co. the election.


George Adams

"All good fishermen stay young until they die, for fishing is the only dream of
youth that doth not grow stale with age."
---- J.W Muller

"philski" wrote in message
...
Wolfgang wrote:

"philski" wrote in message
...


...my wife takes 15 necessary meds - costing us in excess of
300.00 w/ copay.


Hell, that ain't so bad. I know people who pay more than that
EVERY
YEAR!


I want the
government out of my life.


So, you've notified your local fire department that they are
never,
under ANY circumstances, to enter onto your property?


Just My .02 cents worth.


Where shall we send the change?

Wolfgang


I was thinking primarily along the lines of the Patriot Act - along
with
Ashcroft (a worthless appointee).

I work at the Boise Airport for the government (Homeland Security)
as an
engineer - I don't want to bite the hand that feeds me....

Sounds like you do. But you're afraid. Nevertheless, you did. And
I'll bet a shiny new nickel that the Boise Fire Department is a
governmental agency. And hey, how about that Socialist Security, huh?

Wolfgang
still holding that change.

"philski" wrote in message
...
Wolfgang wrote:

"philski" wrote in message
...


...my wife takes 15 necessary meds - costing us in excess of
300.00 w/ copay.


Hell, that ain't so bad. I know people who pay more than that
EVERY
YEAR!


I want the
government out of my life.


So, you've notified your local fire department that they are
never,
under ANY circumstances, to enter onto your property?


Just My .02 cents worth.


Where shall we send the change?

Wolfgang


I was thinking primarily along the lines of the Patriot Act - along
with
Ashcroft (a worthless appointee).

I work at the Boise Airport for the government (Homeland Security)
as an
engineer - I don't want to bite the hand that feeds me....

Sounds like you do. But you're afraid. Nevertheless, you did. And
I'll bet a shiny new nickel that the Boise Fire Department is a
governmental agency. And hey, how about that Socialist Security, huh?

Wolfgang
still holding that change.

philski writes:

I have always been an independent. I knew my vote in Idaho would be
nothing more than a protest vote because I do not like Bush. I
particularly do not like Cheney. He lacks integrity. (not that Kerry has
an abundance of it either- )

I believe that is the problem with the Dem Party this time around: They
selected someone who they thought could beat Bush, not someone who they thought
would be a good president. Lots of people voted for Kerry because of their
dislike of Bush. That ain't no way to run a railroad. Pick a viable
candidate, someone without all the luggage that Kerry carried (questionable VN
service, questionable actions after VN which probably lengthened the war, a
Senator without a good record in Congress, a billionaire wife who looks like
Tootsie and can't keep her trashy mouth shut, and the blunder of all blunders,
picking Edwards as his running mate). It was a train wreck waiting to happen.

You do not vote because you hate someone; you vote because you think your
candidate is the best qualified.

"George Adams" wrote in message
...
From: "Tim J."

In your present condescention mode, you *would* suspect that.
Here's
what you *should* be considering, IMHO: The Dems offered no viable
alternative to Bush (which was all this election was about).

By all
rights, someone with some uniting capabilities or a little charisma
should have been able to defeat Bush, and clearly would have done
so.
Kerry offered neither quality.

100% on the money. Bush was very vulnerable in this election, and
the
democratic party is so effed up, they not only couldn't take
advantage of the
situation, they handed Bush the largest popular vote in history, the
first
clear majority since 1988, and the electoral vote wasn't that close.
Also,
there were significant Republican gains in congress. A message has
been sent,
but I bet nobody is listening.

Here's a hint: If the dems want to beat Rudy in 2008, don't have
trash like
Franken, Moore, and P. Diddey campaigning for you.

I don't suppose it's occurred to you....or that you've been
informed....that the U.S. now has the largest population in it's
history. Messages are being sent all the time. You've just sent
another very clear one. People ARE listening. Many understand your
message all to well. It will be interesting to see whether anyone
attempts to explain it to you.

Wolfgang
good luck, ya'll.

"George Adams" wrote in message
...
From: "Tim J."

In your present condescention mode, you *would* suspect that.
Here's
what you *should* be considering, IMHO: The Dems offered no viable
alternative to Bush (which was all this election was about).

By all
rights, someone with some uniting capabilities or a little charisma
should have been able to defeat Bush, and clearly would have done
so.
Kerry offered neither quality.

100% on the money. Bush was very vulnerable in this election, and
the
democratic party is so effed up, they not only couldn't take
advantage of the
situation, they handed Bush the largest popular vote in history, the
first
clear majority since 1988, and the electoral vote wasn't that close.
Also,
there were significant Republican gains in congress. A message has
been sent,
but I bet nobody is listening.

Here's a hint: If the dems want to beat Rudy in 2008, don't have
trash like
Franken, Moore, and P. Diddey campaigning for you.

I don't suppose it's occurred to you....or that you've been
informed....that the U.S. now has the largest population in it's
history. Messages are being sent all the time. You've just sent
another very clear one. People ARE listening. Many understand your
message all to well. It will be interesting to see whether anyone
attempts to explain it to you.

Wolfgang
good luck, ya'll.

On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 13:57:09 -0700, philski
wrote:

I agree with your view Ken. I think if the Dems ever want to get ahead
in the race for the White House, they need to dump the Gay Agenda. They
have more than they can deal with with "right to life". I don't think
there are enough gay votes (just my opinion) to sway a national vote one
way or the other. The dems need to " Steer Clear of the Queers" (an old
Idaho axiom)


Dammit, I swore I wasn't gonna do this. But my dander's up again.

Eleven states just voted to deny entry into the institution of
marriage to US Citizens based solely on their sexual orientation, and
YOU think GAYS have an "agenda"?

What would that be, exactly? Are they guilty of trying to "secure the
blessings of liberty to themselves..."? Damn that constitution.

As a devout and practicing heterosexual, I can't begin to understand
why it's any of my business whatsoever - or the business of the
government - what two or more consenting adults do in the privacy of
their own homes and relationships.

Heterosexuals have managed to make a complete mockery and debacle of
the institution of marriage: I've never seen it demonstrated that
homosexuals could possibly do worse.

But if two men or women love each other and want to get married and
share in the legal benefits, pitfalls, and sacrifice of "marital
bliss", and can find a willing church or justice of the peace, I say
"God Bless 'Em" and "God Help 'Em".

Chuck

George Adams writes:

Bush was very vulnerable in this election, and the
democratic party is so effed up, they not only couldn't take advantage of the
situation, they handed Bush the largest popular vote in history, the first
clear majority since 1988, and the electoral vote wasn't that close. Also,
there were significant Republican gains in congress. A message has been sent,
but I bet nobody is listening.

Here's a hint: If the dems want to beat Rudy in 2008, don't have trash like
Franken, Moore, and P. Diddey campaigning for you.


Well said, George. I would add, get rid of McAuliffe.

Here is a post from another ng.

"Senator Kerry has given a graceful and positive concession speech,
for which I know the country is grateful.
The gimmick of "provisional voting" just didn't have
the steam to throw us into another legal fight, and
we can all hope it will be thrown onto the ash heap of
failed tricks along with "hanging chads."
I will presume to present a few points
to my fellow citizens who happen to be Democrats.

The country continues to turn more and more Republican.
This is not because you didn't get your message out,
or turn-out was too low, or someone rigged the machines,
or the Court "selected," or
Martian aliens on nuclear jet skis hypnotized the voters or
any other such nonsense.
It is because the views of the Democratic Party
are reflected by an ever-shrinking minority.
Please consider these points:
Most people do not support abortion.
In fact, most people are repulsed by partial-birth abortion.
Most do not hate and distrust the military.
Most think that people kill people, not guns.
Most people think criminals should be punished, and swiftly.
They believe they don't owe a damn dime to a person
just because their great-great-great granddaddy was a slave.
Most people are sick of being force-feed stupidity
in the guise of "political correctness."
Movie stars and rock stars are not respected political voices.
The major media can no longer buy elections for you
(Let's be adults, OK? The early exit polls showing
a Kerry landslide were intentional attempts to
sway the election, just like the early calls in 2000).
Tricks and gimmicks used to stuff ballot boxes no longer work;
honest and straight-forward elections with good candidates are better.
Most people still believe in God, honor the flag
and say grace over their meals.

I could go on, but you get the idea.
Unless and until the Democratic Party stops blaming everyone else
for its troubles, until it looks at itself in
the mirror and says: "My problems are *my fault,* and *I*
need to work to fix them," it will continue to wither
until it becomes an irrelevancy.

Democrats, look back at the party of Hubert Humphrey, Edwin Muskie,
Harry Truman. They were decent men who had a different vision
than we on the Right, but it was sincere and honest and we could
work with them.
Demagogues and opportunist have taken your party and are killing it.
Get back to the days when your party put forth men of principle,
and you'll see the voters come back to you.

D.S."

Bill Kiene wrote:

If and when our Muslim friends are successful in getting a nuclear bomb off
in a major US city it will all take care of it's self.

Automatic WWIII

--
Bill Kiene


I hope such a thing never happens , but should it ............
I don`t think it will be WW111 ...... The US has just alienated
itself from the rest of the world . they`ll have to fight this one
their own J