Its looking grim

"Dave LaCourse" wrote

Remember, you don't have
to be religious or even *have* a religion to be moral.

I think one fear many of us have for this country is the fact that it's also
well proven that "being religious" and having a "religion" don't always lead
to being moral.

A huge majority of history's nastiest moments resulted from men honestly
believing "god is on our side" A lot more have resulted from those
pretending true faith using "religion" to promote hate and self interest.

Our country has separated church and state for good, history proven,
reasons. I'd suggest that it's not time to forget those reasons, it's time
to really remember them.




Larry
(who thinks of himself as deeply spiritual and ethical, but finds any "true
believer" very scary ... )

Larry L. writes:

Our country has separated church and state for good, history proven,
reasons. I'd suggest that it's not time to forget those reasons, it's time
to really remember them.



Uhhhhh, who said I favor a state religion? I don't. I am all for separation
of church and state. That was not what I was speaking of. You do not need to
be a Right Wing Religious Zealot to have morals. And, yes, some RWRZ have low
or no morals. That is not what I was speaking of. I have many friends who are
not church goers yet their morals are very high and they didn't vote for Kerry.


What are you afraid of, btw?

"Dave LaCourse" wrote


Uhhhhh, who said I favor a state religion? I don't.


Yeah, I knew I wasn't "on-thread" Your sentence caught my eye at just the
right minute to get me to respond ... my kid and I have been discussing the
difference between religious teachings and morality ... or more accurately
false religious teachings and morality



What are you afraid of, btw?


...specifically pertaining to this election, the reduction of separation
of church and state as political payback ... i.e. having my "religious
rights" threatened by the "religious Right"

Larry L. writes:


What are you afraid of, btw?


...specifically pertaining to this election, the reduction of separation
of church and state as political payback ... i.e. having my "religious
rights" threatened by the "religious Right"

The sky might fall too. d;o)
The president doesn't make the law, and only the people can add to the
Constitution, so the separation of Church and State clause will remain
throughout your and my lifetimes.

Dave LaCourse wrote:

The president doesn't make the law, and only the people can add to the
Constitution, so the separation of Church and State clause will remain
throughout your and my lifetimes.

Over the past few days, I've heard three different conservative
evangelical Christians on radio talk shows maintain (in all seriousness,
apparently) that the wording of First Amendment DOES NOT specifically
prescribe a separation of church and state.

So if a President sharing this interpretation were to appoint three or
four Supreme Court justices with the same views.....

JR

John Russell writes:

Over the past few days, I've heard three different conservative
evangelical Christians on radio talk shows maintain (in all seriousness,
apparently) that the wording of First Amendment DOES NOT specifically
prescribe a separation of church and state.

So if a President sharing this interpretation were to appoint three or
four Supreme Court justices with the same views.....

In the first place, I don't think Bush would go for that. And secondly, the
sky will fall before that happens.

Where are you now?

Dave LaCourse wrote:

In the first place, I don't think Bush would go for that. And secondly, the
sky will fall before that happens.

Funny, that's what I would have said about you takin' singing lessons....
g

Where are you now?

Back in beautiful Bend, Oregon. Turns out 30 months was about all I could
take of the UN's particular brand of bureaucracy...

JR

Dave LaCourse wrote:

In the first place, I don't think Bush would go for that. And secondly, the
sky will fall before that happens.

Funny, that's what I would have said about you takin' singing lessons....
g

Where are you now?

Back in beautiful Bend, Oregon. Turns out 30 months was about all I could
take of the UN's particular brand of bureaucracy...

JR

"JR" wrote

Over the past few days, I've heard three different conservative
evangelical Christians on radio talk shows maintain

That stuff will rot your brain JR, careful


Are you in Bend, Oregon .... if not how did I get that idea?

if so, I keep maning to get up there and fish those likes .... Crane Prairie
sp?) and Hosmer? and I think you have a spring crik or two near there

"Larry L" wrote

I keep maning to get up there and fish those likes

doh, "meaning to get up there and fish those lakes
.... the connection between my brain and my fingers seems to be slipping
away .. thar it gooes nowe