Its looking grim

"JR" wrote in message
.. .
Dave LaCourse wrote:

In the first place, I don't think Bush would go for that. And secondly,
the
sky will fall before that happens.

Funny, that's what I would have said about you takin' singing lessons....
g

Where are you now?

Back in beautiful Bend, Oregon. Turns out 30 months was about all I could
take of the UN's particular brand of bureaucracy...

Damn, I'm jealous. I'm planning on headed up towards Bend or Medford this
summer to look for property. I've almost had enough of this international
thing, myself. This school is a missionary school; in fact I heard the nurse
say to the History teacher that Bush won because they prayed for him to, and
praydelow! it worked.

--riverman

irate (Dave LaCourse) wrote in
:

Scott opines:

Hopefully nonoffensively, I can point out that when Bush ran, he had a
record of failed businesses, a drunk driving arrest or two, a rich
family with heavy Saudi ties, family privilege that helped him avoid
Vietnam by almost meeting a National Guard commitment, no foreign
policy experience, and his biggest qualification was that he governed
a state constitutionally headed by a hands-off governor. Then on top
of all that, I'll point out that about half the population is largely
unimpressed by his performance as President and CIC, he deliberately
trumped up faulty intelligence that brought us to a war we're having
problems finishing, he ignored intelligence that might have prevented
the deaths of 3,000 citizens, and he ran up a record deficit (even
without the two wars factored in) and put the money into his buddys'
collective pockets.

IMO, which is no more or less valid than YO, this is a train wreck
that is happening right now.


Then why didn't Gore win in 2000? He was the vp of a "successfull"
administration. Why didn't he walk away with the election?

The same holds true for this election. If Bush was so bad, so hated,
so disrespected, so dumb, so incompetent, how's come the VN hero
didn't win?

That will be discussed to death over the next few weeks. I didn't
understand it Tuesday, and I don't understand it now. Some of it has to do
with the Republican campaign tactics (just like with the Gore near miss).
Jacking up the alert level every time Bush did something embarrassing might
have helped. Making Farmer Brown scared that a bomb might go off at his
Wally World might have helped. Perhaps fear of hassle by 3,500 "watchers"
kept dems away from the polls in Ohio. Maybe Diebold guy really did
manipulate computer voting sites to hand Bush the election, like he said he
would. Hell, having nothing else going for him, maybe simply keeping the
war going through the election was enough to push him over the top-- I
fully believe him capable of wagging the dog, just like you always
suspected that of Clinton.

And don';t tell me it's because of the "religious right".
Remember, you don't have to be religious or even *have* a religion to
be moral. *I expected Kerry to win, and to win handily*. When I
awoke Wednesday morning, I was completely surprised to see how well
Bush did with a good majority of the electoral votes, and a whopping
3.5 million more in the popular vote. He didn't beat Kerry; he
kicked the mush out of him.

A few percent is hardly a mandate, especially when you think about how
vehemently Bush's opposition hates him. He won by one chunky state, and
don't kid yourself into thinking he did better.

Scott

Dave LaCourse wrote:

... If Bush was so bad, so hated, so
disrespected, so dumb, so incompetent, how's come the VN hero didn't win? And
don';t tell me it's because of the "religious right". ...

Just because you don't want to hear it doesn't make it untrue.

It was sheer genius to have a "gay-marriage" referendum on the
Ohio ballot. That bit of genius in Ohio (and 10 other states)
insured that fundamentalist dimbulbs who hardly ever vote because
they rightly consider themselves too stupid to vote would turn
out in record setting droves. And they did.

A poll conducted just before the election revealed that 75% of
Shrub supporters believed that Saddam Hussein had a hand in 9/11.
With a great big PHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhbbbbbbbbbbbbbbt !!!
to the Shrub voting roffians who are doubtless among the 25% of
Shrub voters who DO have a clue, your guy was elected by rubes,
boobs, and fundamentalist bible-thumping morons. No doubt about it.

And if you think four more years of this administration is just
so much business as usual you're as stupid as the other 75% of your
fellow morons.

--
Ken Fortenberry

Dave LaCourse wrote:

... If Bush was so bad, so hated, so
disrespected, so dumb, so incompetent, how's come the VN hero didn't win? And
don';t tell me it's because of the "religious right". ...

Just because you don't want to hear it doesn't make it untrue.

It was sheer genius to have a "gay-marriage" referendum on the
Ohio ballot. That bit of genius in Ohio (and 10 other states)
insured that fundamentalist dimbulbs who hardly ever vote because
they rightly consider themselves too stupid to vote would turn
out in record setting droves. And they did.

A poll conducted just before the election revealed that 75% of
Shrub supporters believed that Saddam Hussein had a hand in 9/11.
With a great big PHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhbbbbbbbbbbbbbbt !!!
to the Shrub voting roffians who are doubtless among the 25% of
Shrub voters who DO have a clue, your guy was elected by rubes,
boobs, and fundamentalist bible-thumping morons. No doubt about it.

And if you think four more years of this administration is just
so much business as usual you're as stupid as the other 75% of your
fellow morons.

--
Ken Fortenberry

Oh well, so much for that Labrador fishin' trip.

Mark

"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
om...
Dave LaCourse wrote:

... If Bush was so bad, so hated, so
disrespected, so dumb, so incompetent, how's come the VN hero didn't win? And
don';t tell me it's because of the "religious right". ...

Just because you don't want to hear it doesn't make it untrue.

It was sheer genius to have a "gay-marriage" referendum on the
Ohio ballot. That bit of genius in Ohio (and 10 other states)
insured that fundamentalist dimbulbs who hardly ever vote because
they rightly consider themselves too stupid to vote would turn
out in record setting droves. And they did.

A poll conducted just before the election revealed that 75% of
Shrub supporters believed that Saddam Hussein had a hand in 9/11.
With a great big PHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhbbbbbbbbbbbbbbt !!!
to the Shrub voting roffians who are doubtless among the 25% of
Shrub voters who DO have a clue, your guy was elected by rubes,
boobs, and fundamentalist bible-thumping morons. No doubt about it.

And if you think four more years of this administration is just
so much business as usual you're as stupid as the other 75% of your
fellow morons.

--
Ken Fortenberry

Oh well, so much for that Labrador fishin' trip.

Mark

"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
om...
Dave LaCourse wrote:

... If Bush was so bad, so hated, so
disrespected, so dumb, so incompetent, how's come the VN hero didn't win? And
don';t tell me it's because of the "religious right". ...

Just because you don't want to hear it doesn't make it untrue.

It was sheer genius to have a "gay-marriage" referendum on the
Ohio ballot. That bit of genius in Ohio (and 10 other states)
insured that fundamentalist dimbulbs who hardly ever vote because
they rightly consider themselves too stupid to vote would turn
out in record setting droves. And they did.

A poll conducted just before the election revealed that 75% of
Shrub supporters believed that Saddam Hussein had a hand in 9/11.
With a great big PHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhbbbbbbbbbbbbbbt !!!
to the Shrub voting roffians who are doubtless among the 25% of
Shrub voters who DO have a clue, your guy was elected by rubes,
boobs, and fundamentalist bible-thumping morons. No doubt about it.

And if you think four more years of this administration is just
so much business as usual you're as stupid as the other 75% of your
fellow morons.

--
Ken Fortenberry

"JR" wrote in message
.. .
Dave LaCourse wrote:

The president doesn't make the law, and only the people can add to the
Constitution, so the separation of Church and State clause will remain
throughout your and my lifetimes.

Over the past few days, I've heard three different conservative
evangelical Christians on radio talk shows maintain (in all seriousness,
apparently) that the wording of First Amendment DOES NOT specifically
prescribe a separation of church and state.


They were right. It doesn't. You should read it some time.

Mainstream Protestantism.....in it's multifarious variations....has been the
de facto official religion of the United States since before the Bill of
Rights came into being, and it still is. You ever look at a piece of U.S.
currency?.....the part where it says, "In God We Trust?.......well, you can
bet your ass that ain't Yahweh, Allah, Siva, some born again Virgin, or
Quetzalcoatl.

As a matter of fact, an enterprising scholar could, with a minimum of
effort, find some very interesting material on the treatment meted out to
followers of any of the above at various times in our great nation's
history.

The fact that the current pig in chief has sold out that very mainstream
Protestant consitiuency for the transient votes of the even more easily
manipulated lunatic fringe should be viewed as a probably short term
aberration. He certainly isn't the first to do so.....any more than he is
the first to successfully capitalize on the stupidity of the social,
economic, political, and philosophical lunatic fringes. ****, he isn't even
the first to convince tens of millions that he has some sort of religious
leanings himself. After all, the American public IS easy to fool. Hell,
tens of millions of them......bloodthirsty swine that they are.......have
managed to convince themselves that THEY have some sort of religious
leanings.......no, it's TRUE!

That said, Tom Gibson was right......probably. After all, it can't happen
here, right?

Wolfgang
ya gotta laugh, ainna?

"JR" wrote in message
.. .
Dave LaCourse wrote:

The president doesn't make the law, and only the people can add to the
Constitution, so the separation of Church and State clause will remain
throughout your and my lifetimes.

Over the past few days, I've heard three different conservative
evangelical Christians on radio talk shows maintain (in all seriousness,
apparently) that the wording of First Amendment DOES NOT specifically
prescribe a separation of church and state.


They were right. It doesn't. You should read it some time.

Mainstream Protestantism.....in it's multifarious variations....has been the
de facto official religion of the United States since before the Bill of
Rights came into being, and it still is. You ever look at a piece of U.S.
currency?.....the part where it says, "In God We Trust?.......well, you can
bet your ass that ain't Yahweh, Allah, Siva, some born again Virgin, or
Quetzalcoatl.

As a matter of fact, an enterprising scholar could, with a minimum of
effort, find some very interesting material on the treatment meted out to
followers of any of the above at various times in our great nation's
history.

The fact that the current pig in chief has sold out that very mainstream
Protestant consitiuency for the transient votes of the even more easily
manipulated lunatic fringe should be viewed as a probably short term
aberration. He certainly isn't the first to do so.....any more than he is
the first to successfully capitalize on the stupidity of the social,
economic, political, and philosophical lunatic fringes. ****, he isn't even
the first to convince tens of millions that he has some sort of religious
leanings himself. After all, the American public IS easy to fool. Hell,
tens of millions of them......bloodthirsty swine that they are.......have
managed to convince themselves that THEY have some sort of religious
leanings.......no, it's TRUE!

That said, Tom Gibson was right......probably. After all, it can't happen
here, right?

Wolfgang
ya gotta laugh, ainna?

From: Scott Seidman


That will be discussed to death over the next few weeks. I didn't
understand it Tuesday, and I don't understand it now.

You just don't get it, do you? You sit around with you're liberal friends and
you all preach to the choir, and you can't, in your wildest dreams, imagine
that you guys are now in the minority.

Making Farmer Brown scared that a bomb might go off at his
Wally World might have helped.

That is a big reason that Bush won. A majority of voters in this country are
sick and tired of the snobbish liberal elite, looking down on the citizens who
live in "flyover country"

Perhaps fear of hassle by 3,500 "watchers"
kept dems away from the polls in Ohio. Maybe Diebold guy really did
manipulate computer voting sites to hand Bush the election, like he said he
would.
Hell, having nothing else going for him, maybe simply keeping the
war going through the election was enough to push him over the top-- I
fully believe him capable of wagging the dog, just like you always
suspected that of Clinton.
A few percent is hardly a mandate, especially when you think about how
vehemently Bush's opposition hates him. He won by one chunky state, and
don't kid yourself into thinking he did better.

See, that's the typical liberal attitude...it had to be someone else's fault,
and anyone who thinks different is kidding themselves. If you want to fix it,
get over yourself, and help to rebuild the Democratic Party int what it once
was, and give the voters a viable candidate.

As I said in a previous post, 51% of the voters in the country sent a message
to the remaining 49%, but they just don't get it, and based on your post, I
doubt they ever will.


George Adams

"All good fishermen stay young until they die, for fishing is the only dream of
youth that doth not grow stale with age."
---- J.W Muller

From: Scott Seidman


That will be discussed to death over the next few weeks. I didn't
understand it Tuesday, and I don't understand it now.

You just don't get it, do you? You sit around with you're liberal friends and
you all preach to the choir, and you can't, in your wildest dreams, imagine
that you guys are now in the minority.

Making Farmer Brown scared that a bomb might go off at his
Wally World might have helped.

That is a big reason that Bush won. A majority of voters in this country are
sick and tired of the snobbish liberal elite, looking down on the citizens who
live in "flyover country"

Perhaps fear of hassle by 3,500 "watchers"
kept dems away from the polls in Ohio. Maybe Diebold guy really did
manipulate computer voting sites to hand Bush the election, like he said he
would.
Hell, having nothing else going for him, maybe simply keeping the
war going through the election was enough to push him over the top-- I
fully believe him capable of wagging the dog, just like you always
suspected that of Clinton.
A few percent is hardly a mandate, especially when you think about how
vehemently Bush's opposition hates him. He won by one chunky state, and
don't kid yourself into thinking he did better.

See, that's the typical liberal attitude...it had to be someone else's fault,
and anyone who thinks different is kidding themselves. If you want to fix it,
get over yourself, and help to rebuild the Democratic Party int what it once
was, and give the voters a viable candidate.

As I said in a previous post, 51% of the voters in the country sent a message
to the remaining 49%, but they just don't get it, and based on your post, I
doubt they ever will.


George Adams

"All good fishermen stay young until they die, for fishing is the only dream of
youth that doth not grow stale with age."
---- J.W Muller