Does anyone build their own leaders?

On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 23:26:16 GMT, rw
wrote:

Scott Seidman wrote:

Peter Charles wrote in
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Now only use FC for dries (usually 9' - 5X) and add a few feet of 7X
FC to ensure a drag free drift. Found this combo to be the magic
solution to taking fish in heavily pounded waters.




Really? I would have bet that the disturbance in the film would be almost
as important as the refractive index.

As a tag on, the gauge of tippet can really have a factor on nymphs. The
bigger the profile, the more the current can have it's way on a nymph.
When I'm not getting hit on a 6x, I go down to a 7x.

IMO, FC leaders are a total waste of money. I also think the
effectiveness of FC tippet is also a myth.


Until it works for you . . . .

Peter

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Peter Charles wrote:
On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 23:26:16 GMT, rw
wrote:


IMO, FC leaders are a total waste of money. I also think the
effectiveness of FC tippet is also a myth.



Until it works for you . . . .

I've caught fish on FC tippet, and I've caught fish on mono tippet. It
doesn't seem to make any difference to me.

Here's what I think happens. Someone goes fishless for awhile and, in
desperation, tries FC. Then he catches a fish. Eureka! FC is suddenly
the greatest thing ever invented. It never occurs to the poor chump that
maybe he was just due.

The same thing happens with flies.

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Peter Charles wrote:
On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 23:26:16 GMT, rw
wrote:


IMO, FC leaders are a total waste of money. I also think the
effectiveness of FC tippet is also a myth.



Until it works for you . . . .

I've caught fish on FC tippet, and I've caught fish on mono tippet. It
doesn't seem to make any difference to me.

Here's what I think happens. Someone goes fishless for awhile and, in
desperation, tries FC. Then he catches a fish. Eureka! FC is suddenly
the greatest thing ever invented. It never occurs to the poor chump that
maybe he was just due.

The same thing happens with flies.

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On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 23:26:16 GMT, rw
wrote:

Scott Seidman wrote:

Peter Charles wrote in
news

Now only use FC for dries (usually 9' - 5X) and add a few feet of 7X
FC to ensure a drag free drift. Found this combo to be the magic
solution to taking fish in heavily pounded waters.




Really? I would have bet that the disturbance in the film would be almost
as important as the refractive index.

As a tag on, the gauge of tippet can really have a factor on nymphs. The
bigger the profile, the more the current can have it's way on a nymph.
When I'm not getting hit on a 6x, I go down to a 7x.

IMO, FC leaders are a total waste of money. I also think the
effectiveness of FC tippet is also a myth.


Until it works for you . . . .

Peter

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On 22 Nov 2004 22:18:34 GMT, Scott Seidman
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Peter Charles wrote in
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Now only use FC for dries (usually 9' - 5X) and add a few feet of 7X
FC to ensure a drag free drift. Found this combo to be the magic
solution to taking fish in heavily pounded waters.



Really? I would have bet that the disturbance in the film would be almost
as important as the refractive index.

As a tag on, the gauge of tippet can really have a factor on nymphs. The
bigger the profile, the more the current can have it's way on a nymph.
When I'm not getting hit on a 6x, I go down to a 7x.

Scott


The 7X FC sinks so there's no dimpling of the meniscus that shows up
like neon sign broadcasting, "Don't bite here."

(100 points for first use of meniscus.)

Peter

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Scott Seidman wrote:

Peter Charles wrote in
news

Now only use FC for dries (usually 9' - 5X) and add a few feet of 7X
FC to ensure a drag free drift. Found this combo to be the magic
solution to taking fish in heavily pounded waters.




Really? I would have bet that the disturbance in the film would be almost
as important as the refractive index.

As a tag on, the gauge of tippet can really have a factor on nymphs. The
bigger the profile, the more the current can have it's way on a nymph.
When I'm not getting hit on a 6x, I go down to a 7x.

IMO, FC leaders are a total waste of money. I also think the
effectiveness of FC tippet is also a myth.

For dead-drift nymphing, I've taken my cue from Willi. I use a very long
section of tippet, usually tied onto a relatively short piece of
store-bought mono tapered leader. If I switch to dries I'll build up a
leader from that section.

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Peter Charles wrote in
news

Now only use FC for dries (usually 9' - 5X) and add a few feet of 7X
FC to ensure a drag free drift. Found this combo to be the magic
solution to taking fish in heavily pounded waters.



Really? I would have bet that the disturbance in the film would be almost
as important as the refractive index.

As a tag on, the gauge of tippet can really have a factor on nymphs. The
bigger the profile, the more the current can have it's way on a nymph.
When I'm not getting hit on a 6x, I go down to a 7x.

Scott

Randy I usually just buy the prepackaged leaders but was wondering
Randy what if any, are the advantages / disadvantages of "rolling
Randy your own" leaders?

Initially I used leaders made of two sections of mono, connected to
each other with loop-to-loop connections.

When I started using "gracefully thinning" leaders, I tied them myself
from the very beginning. I've never bought a ready-made tapered
leader. The original reason was the idea of using different formulas
for different tasks. I guess it's still true to some degree, but the
number of different formulas that I use has decreased somewhat since
the beginning. One of the main reasons for tying the leaders myself
now is the ability to use different diameters in the butt section of
the leader for 2wt-6wt lines.

I now tie
- basic 9' leaders with .21 butt section for my 6wt
- basic 9' leaders with .19 butt section for my 4wt
- delicate 12' dry fly leaders with .19 butt section for the 4wt
- 5'-7.5' small-stream leaders with .19 butt section for my 3wt (with
which I use a 4wt line for close-up fishing)
- 8' basic leaders with .17 butt section for my 2wt
- 12' delicate dry fly leaders with .17 butt section for the 2wt

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I agree that butt diameter is important. If you buy a certain weight
tapered leaders, they will all have the same butt diameter regardless what
fly line you are going to tie them to. The butt of the leader should have
about the same flexibility, sometimes the same diameter, as the line you are
going to attach them to. You can only do this by tying your own.

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"Jarmo Hurri" wrote in message
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Randy I usually just buy the prepackaged leaders but was wondering
Randy what if any, are the advantages / disadvantages of "rolling
Randy your own" leaders?

Initially I used leaders made of two sections of mono, connected to
each other with loop-to-loop connections.

When I started using "gracefully thinning" leaders, I tied them myself
from the very beginning. I've never bought a ready-made tapered
leader. The original reason was the idea of using different formulas
for different tasks. I guess it's still true to some degree, but the
number of different formulas that I use has decreased somewhat since
the beginning. One of the main reasons for tying the leaders myself
now is the ability to use different diameters in the butt section of
the leader for 2wt-6wt lines.

I now tie
- basic 9' leaders with .21 butt section for my 6wt
- basic 9' leaders with .19 butt section for my 4wt
- delicate 12' dry fly leaders with .19 butt section for the 4wt
- 5'-7.5' small-stream leaders with .19 butt section for my 3wt (with
which I use a 4wt line for close-up fishing)
- 8' basic leaders with .17 butt section for my 2wt
- 12' delicate dry fly leaders with .17 butt section for the 2wt

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Jarmo Hurri

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I agree that butt diameter is important. If you buy a certain weight
tapered leaders, they will all have the same butt diameter regardless what
fly line you are going to tie them to. The butt of the leader should have
about the same flexibility, sometimes the same diameter, as the line you are
going to attach them to. You can only do this by tying your own.

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"Jarmo Hurri" wrote in message
...

Randy I usually just buy the prepackaged leaders but was wondering
Randy what if any, are the advantages / disadvantages of "rolling
Randy your own" leaders?

Initially I used leaders made of two sections of mono, connected to
each other with loop-to-loop connections.

When I started using "gracefully thinning" leaders, I tied them myself
from the very beginning. I've never bought a ready-made tapered
leader. The original reason was the idea of using different formulas
for different tasks. I guess it's still true to some degree, but the
number of different formulas that I use has decreased somewhat since
the beginning. One of the main reasons for tying the leaders myself
now is the ability to use different diameters in the butt section of
the leader for 2wt-6wt lines.

I now tie
- basic 9' leaders with .21 butt section for my 6wt
- basic 9' leaders with .19 butt section for my 4wt
- delicate 12' dry fly leaders with .19 butt section for the 4wt
- 5'-7.5' small-stream leaders with .19 butt section for my 3wt (with
which I use a 4wt line for close-up fishing)
- 8' basic leaders with .17 butt section for my 2wt
- 12' delicate dry fly leaders with .17 butt section for the 2wt

--
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