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Lazarus writes:

Actually, one of the (many) things that made me gag during the recent
election campaign was Kerry going on about "defending" his country. Who
was he defending it against? Hordes of little men in black pyjamas who
were sweeping through New England?


No. Actually it was one wounded VC teenager who was fleeing for his life and
Kerry shot him in the back and received a SS.

Dave LaCourse wrote:
Lazarus writes:

Actually, one of the (many) things that made me gag during the recent
election campaign was Kerry going on about "defending" his country.
Who was he defending it against? Hordes of little men in black
pyjamas who were sweeping through New England?

No. Actually it was one wounded VC teenager who was fleeing for his
life and Kerry shot him in the back and received a SS.

Dave, IMHO you really should give this a rest. It serves no purpose.
I've never served in the military and have certainly never been in a
"kill or be killed" weapons exchange, but I can only imagine the horror
and fear that accompanies that sort of situation. The political
campaigns to smear both candidates military records sickened me. I'm
sure Kerry did what he thought he had to do at the time based on his
circumstances, and neither you nor I will know for sure what warranted
his actions.

I disliked Kerry's actions after he returned from war, his stances on
certain issues, and especially his Senate voting record, but I see no
reason to question his history while in the military. In fact, at this
point, I see no value in discussing ANY of this. The election is over -
time to move forward.
--
TL,
Tim
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http://css.sbcma.com/timj

Tim J. wrote:
Dave LaCourse wrote:
Lazarus writes:

Actually, one of the (many) things that made me gag during the
recent
election campaign was Kerry going on about "defending" his
country.
Who was he defending it against? Hordes of little men in black
pyjamas who were sweeping through New England?

No. Actually it was one wounded VC teenager who was fleeing for
his
life and Kerry shot him in the back and received a SS.

Dave, IMHO you really should give this a rest. It serves no purpose.
I've never served in the military and have certainly never been in a
"kill or be killed" weapons exchange, but I can only imagine the
horror
and fear that accompanies that sort of situation. The political
campaigns to smear both candidates military records sickened me. I'm
sure Kerry did what he thought he had to do at the time based on his
circumstances, and neither you nor I will know for sure what
warranted
his actions.

I disliked Kerry's actions after he returned from war, his stances on
certain issues, and especially his Senate voting record, but I see no
reason to question his history while in the military. In fact, at
this
point, I see no value in discussing ANY of this. The election is over
-
time to move forward.
--
TL,
Tim
------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj

Don't be to hard on Dave. It's a rare talent to know so much about
things you haven't experienced or know of first hand. Prehaps before
he's dead he'll pass the secret on to us. You probably have to wear the
seat out of many uniforms to achieve such mystical powers. Maby he'll
go to this page and tell us which of these people deserve the honors
they have gotten.
http://www.cmohs.org/
It may be more difficult because a lot of them hadn' registerd to vote
so there is probably no record of their political party. About half of
them couldn't register after they got their medal.

BJ writes:

http://www.cmohs.org/

Have you ever spoken with a MOH recipient? Sat down with one, had a beer, and
talked for any length of time? And then repeat it, week, after week, after
week?

I have. He didn't speak once about his exploits. NOT ONCE!!!! He didn't cry
out, "Reporting for duty." He didn't constantly say he defended his country.
In fact, he never ONCE said anything like that. And, he never once said
anything derogatory about those he served with. When asked about his exploits
on Porkchop Hill during the Korean war, Col. Millet would only say that he was
there and did his job. He was also gravely wounded and DID NOT asked to be
sent home.

Read about Lew Millet at
http://www.army.mil/cmh-pg/mohkor2.htm

I served with him for two years and had more than my fair share of martinis
with the man. He is a hero. Kerry is not.



Kerry is a phoney. He did NOT voluteer for river patrol, but rather
volunteered for coastal patrol, an easy see-no-combat position. When he was
transferred to the river patrol, he was angry and did not want to go.

You do not get a PH for self-inflicted wounds, and two of his so-call "wounds"
had to be self inflicted. You do not get a SS for chasing down a wounded
un-armed VC teenager and shooting him in the back. Your hero is a phoney, and
some day, the questions regarding his discharge will be answered, and you ain't
gonna like 'em.

"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message
...
...he never once said
anything derogatory about those he served with...

Thus distinguishing himself from a true hero we all know all too well.

Wolfgang
the invisible man.

On 06 Dec 2004 13:13:57 GMT, irate (Dave LaCourse) wrote:

Lazarus writes:

Actually, one of the (many) things that made me gag during the recent
election campaign was Kerry going on about "defending" his country. Who
was he defending it against? Hordes of little men in black pyjamas who
were sweeping through New England?


No. Actually it was one wounded VC teenager who was fleeing for his life and
Kerry shot him in the back and received a SS.

Dave, I'm no Kerry fan, but he even if what you say above is correct (and I'm
pretty sure it isn't), that VC wasn't in New England, he was in Vietnam and
Kerry was in combat. Kerry might have gotten into the service for no more
reason than future good for political career and then "oops-ed" his way into
combat, but he didn't run or hide and at least some of his men still think he
was a "hero." Whatever else, that should say something to you - as always,
though, YMMV.

TC,
R

On 06 Dec 2004 13:13:57 GMT, irate (Dave LaCourse)
wrote:


No. Actually it was one wounded VC teenager who was fleeing for his life and
Kerry shot him in the back and received a SS.


It's statements like this that show that with all your talk
of "honor", you come up very short in that department.

Greg P. writes:

It's statements like this that show that with all your talk
of "honor", you come up very short in that department.

One problem, Mr. Socialist. What I said is true. He then returns the next day
with a camera and "records" his exploits. The man is a phony. And YOU, of all
people, shouldn't even SPEAK of honor. You wouldn't know honor if it bit you
in your red ass.

"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message
...
Greg P. writes:

It's statements like this that show that with all your talk
of "honor", you come up very short in that department.

One problem, Mr. Socialist. What I said is true. He then returns
the next day
with a camera and "records" his exploits. The man is a phony. And
YOU, of all
people, shouldn't even SPEAK of honor. You wouldn't know honor if
it bit you
in your red ass.

Then too, I know I'm not the only one here who has seen.....live and
in person.....our great and honorable pacifist chief fly into a rage
over um.......hm......what was it? The best route between
Massachusetts and western North Carolina?

Wolfgang

Dave LaCourse wrote:

One problem, Mr. Socialist. What I said is true. He then returns
the next day
with a camera and "records" his exploits. The man is a phony. And
YOU, of all
people, shouldn't even SPEAK of honor. You wouldn't know honor if it
bit you
in your red ass.

Dave:

Tim and Richie said it best. And they're on your side.

My retired CPO Father disagrees significantly with your viewpoint. And
he wasn't there either. So you being a retired CPO does not make you
all knowing of this issue nor does it my father. I would tend to put
more stock in what his immediate shipmates say than what others state
or postulate but I was not there and did not live the military life as
stated in many previous posts.

Whatever you believe about the man it does not matter, he didnt' win
the election. I personally think you're wrong and approaching libel
with your disdain for Kerry. You think otherwise. But if those wounds
were self inflicted, it would have come up long before this past
election.

While I have the same disdain for W that you have for Kerry,
unfortunately his campaign strategy was better and he won the election,
so we've got to live with it.

But I curious, if as you state, Kerry doesn't deserve a purple heart,
what about "friendly fire" deaths and wounds? Are those wounded and
dead military members any more or less deserving of medals and
acknowledgement because they were wounded as the result of an accident?
Do we tell the families that the boys and girls shouldn't have been
there because our side was shooting there? While I'm told there is
sometimes military discipline for repeated or negligent instances, we
don't hear too often of the folks making the mistaken shots getting
court martialed and sentenced for homicide?
Inquiring minds want to know.