OT Stolen from Rec.Backcountry

Dave LaCourse wrote:

Most vets I know share my views. It isn';t so much what he did in
Nam, but
what he did when he returned. None of that was honorable. He threw
away his
medals and then lied about his brothers who were still fighting in
Nam. And
all for what -- political recognition.

Amazing the company we keep, Most folks I know in NC and Florida voted
differently then where their state ended up.

No "IF about it, Wayne. His own men have said there was no enemy
contact when
he got his first scratch. None. NO enemy contact. He fired a
grenade
launcher and it exploded near enough to him for him to pick up a very
small
pice of its shrapnel. Even the treating doctor said it was US
shrapnel. And,
you get rice removed from your ass only because you threw a grenade
into the
rice pile and didn't get away quick enough.

Treating doctor said no such thing according to documentation. The
citations are there in plain sight. Or are you saying the military
lied? Like that never happens eh?

His campaign strategy was based on lies from day one.

Oh he based it on security, and invasions of sovereign nations based on
faulty intelligence? You don't have to answer that.

Apples and oranges. Self inflicted wounds do not count. I believe
friendly
fire wounds would because you are engaging the enemy and mistakes are
made. It
is not the fact that he received self inflicted wounds
(unintentionally), but
the fact that he tried to take advantage of it. It says much about
his
character.

I just wanted to hear what you thought on it. Background more than
anything else. Been reading the Washington Post take on that former
football player's death in Afghanistan?

You have no business assaulting his character based on the garbage
you've posted and then claiming character. At least Tim posted a
rational explanation for his reasons, not that he had to, you alluded
to something with the post war protests, fine and dandy reasons. But
you need to quit believing all this bull**** Dave unless you are
prepared to state that the US Military lied in it's documentation of
Kerry's record. Everything written thus far contradicts everything
you've posted.

More than 100 pages of Kerry's military records have never been
released. He
refused to have them released. On the one item that he did release,
his
discharge, the date is stamped long after he got out, and states he
got a
discharge after a "review by a board of officers". Uh, it don't work
that way.
A board of officers has nothing to do with your discharge, and it is
dated at
the time of your discharge, not two years later.

I find it very hard to believe that if in the unreleased documents,
there was somethign which contradicted everything else released,
someone would have got their hands on it and leaked it to someone.
Especially in this presidential election.

As if I needed proof of your rapid hatred and spewing of misinformation
on this issue, you just gave it. Of the released records you speak of,
there is a 1966 enlistment contract for a six year committment. A 1970
letter requesting early release from active duty to run for public
office. A 1970 letter releasing him from active duty to run for public
office and transferring him to the active reserves for the remainder of
his committment. A 1972 Letter discharging him from the active reserves
and moving him to inactive reserve and a 1978 letter discharging him
from the inactive reserve.

Without going back and re-reading, I think you have his 1972 discharge
letter and the 1970 correspondence confused. Now i have no knowledge
nor looked to see if he did any active reserve duties in that 2 year
period but the paper trail is in order.

Unlike Tim, RW, and Kenny, I like apologies on ROFF. Show some honor
and admit your hatred.

Wayne Knight wrote:
Dave LaCourse wrote:

One problem, Mr. Socialist. What I said is true. He then returns
the next day with a camera and "records" his exploits. The man is a
phony. And YOU, of all people, shouldn't even SPEAK of honor. You
wouldn't know honor if it bit you in your red ass.

Dave:

Tim and Richie said it best. And they're on your side.

Richie can speak for himself, but Tim is on Tim's side. ;-) I'm tired
of all the vitriol from either/both sides of the political aisle, and
probably just worn down from a pretty intense political year. The way I
see it, and IMHO, most of roff is a *LOT* closer to that aisle than
distanced from it, with the exception of a few. I'd like to think (and I
could be WAY wrong) that I would enjoy visiting with just about anyone
here and discussing life, love, music, fishing, and whatever is in
between (and that doesn't leave much) without becoming a screaming
maniac for a political cause, or being screamed at because of my views.
My slant on life comes from what influenced me over many years, and
there's not to much anyone else can do to change that. Realizing this, I
don't waste much time talking politics and expecting to change OP's
views. When I see people here coming off the rails over something as
unimportant as whether or not a failed presidential candidate served
honorably in the military, it gives me pause to consider the motive. Is
there any?

But, hey, if it makes you happy then carry on.
--
TL,
Tim
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http://css.sbcma.com/timj

Tim J. wrote:
Richie can speak for himself, but Tim is on Tim's side. ;-) I'm
tired
of all the vitriol from either/both sides of the political aisle, and
probably just worn down from a pretty intense political year. \
[snip]
But, hey, if it makes you happy then carry on.

I thought I typed a response to you on this but not showing up on the
google server. Sheesh I try and use a reasoned post of a postive
example to a like minded voter and you shoot my fat ass off. See if I
do that again.
BTW, picked up a new set of fly tying tools yesterday

Wayne

Wayne Knight wrote:
Tim J. wrote:
Richie can speak for himself, but Tim is on Tim's side. ;-) I'm
tired of all the vitriol from either/both sides of the political
aisle, and probably just worn down from a pretty intense political
year. \ [snip] But, hey, if it makes you happy then carry on.

I thought I typed a response to you on this but not showing up on the
google server. Sheesh I try and use a reasoned post of a postive
example to a like minded voter and you shoot my fat ass off. See if I
do that again.
BTW, picked up a new set of fly tying tools yesterday

Gear whore.
--
TL,
Tim
---------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj/

BTW, picked up a new set of fly tying tools yesterday
Wayne

Mazel Tov!

I've watched this thread spiral through several layers of vitriol and
nonsense. It's over, My candidate lost, someone else's one. To be honest,
I didn't, and don't, care for either of them that much. They are both
children of privilege who want me to believe that they care about someone in
my income bracket as much as they care about their next golf game.

I have no desire for endless recounts, lawsuits, or pointless demonstrations
for the sake of demonstrating. What I want to see is a field of viable
candidates who will run on the issues and concerns that matter to the middle
class, not the splinter groups, the illegal alien pressure groups, and the
corporate sponsors that paid for this last cluster**** of an election.

While I have seen many openings to jump in and attack someone or their
position, I'd sooner spend the time reading, tying flies, and scratching my
ass when it itches; or taking advantage of the semi-tropical climate of my
home and actually go fishing if the weather, tides, and my pain levels
allow.

OBROFF: To that end, I have purchased a ULA Force 2X LT reel and a TFO
TiCr-X 6 wt rod to use and enjoy. I hope to travel into New England this
summer and introduce them to trout or even land-locked salmon if opportunity
allows.

--
Stev Lenon 91B20 '68-'69
When the dawn came up like thunder

http://web.tampabay.rr.com/stevglo/i...age92kword.htm

Wayne Knight wrote:
Dave LaCourse wrote:

One problem, Mr. Socialist. What I said is true. He then returns
the next day with a camera and "records" his exploits. The man is a
phony. And YOU, of all people, shouldn't even SPEAK of honor. You
wouldn't know honor if it bit you in your red ass.

Dave:

Tim and Richie said it best. And they're on your side.

Richie can speak for himself, but Tim is on Tim's side. ;-) I'm tired
of all the vitriol from either/both sides of the political aisle, and
probably just worn down from a pretty intense political year. The way I
see it, and IMHO, most of roff is a *LOT* closer to that aisle than
distanced from it, with the exception of a few. I'd like to think (and I
could be WAY wrong) that I would enjoy visiting with just about anyone
here and discussing life, love, music, fishing, and whatever is in
between (and that doesn't leave much) without becoming a screaming
maniac for a political cause, or being screamed at because of my views.
My slant on life comes from what influenced me over many years, and
there's not to much anyone else can do to change that. Realizing this, I
don't waste much time talking politics and expecting to change OP's
views. When I see people here coming off the rails over something as
unimportant as whether or not a failed presidential candidate served
honorably in the military, it gives me pause to consider the motive. Is
there any?

But, hey, if it makes you happy then carry on.
--
TL,
Tim
------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj