False casting problem

Hi All,

If you can already cast 60 feet with a fly rod you don't need to read this,
thanks.


There are two distinct groups of fly fishers:

First Group:

The ones that somehow figured out how to actually fly cast pretty well. This
group is larger than ever before. Some of these are people that find this
physical stuff very easy or they got some good help and practiced or they
were just persistent and learned on their own over time.

Second Group:

Then we have the group who fly fish but have never really leaned how to fly
cast well. These are people who are more physically challenged (I am in this
group) and that have not had any help/instruction. Some just never got any
help to know what they are suppose to be doing. Some honestly just have not
had the time to devote to fly casting but like to get out a few time a year.
Some fish in situations where they do not have to get very proficient to
catch fish. Some troll in float tubes so casting is not that important to
them.

I think I was flailing away for about 10 years before I could cast very well
at all. Mostly because in the '60s I could not find any help and outfit was
pretty sad.

Another issue is that some have outfits that don't perform well. This
doesn't mean they have to spend a lot of money to get something that cast
well, it just has to be the right combination of pieces; the right rod and
right size fly line.

The biggest complaint I hear from our guides(all over the world) is that
many of their customers don't cast well when they get them. Many guides have
to stop fishing and now teach fly casting so they can hopefully catch some
fish that day. They tell me that it would be much better if the customer
would spend the time to learn some casting so the fishing could be more
productive.

We have other issues where we get people on out hosted trips that want to go
to the tropical flats and have good fishing but they have not spent the time
to learn to fly cast first. It makes the trip less successful and then there
goes everyone reputation; fishing guides, fishing lodge, eco-system of
Belize, integrity of my fly shop, etc.when the real problem is just simply
fly casting. We have learned now to be sure to get people prepared for the
casting before they go on a trip.

After you learn to fly cast well, the fishing is easier and it is all more
rewarding. There are books and videos/DVDs on fly casting. I think a lesson
on the water with a good instructor is hard to beat though. First have
someone check out your outfit to be sure it does work well.

--
Bill Kiene

Kiene's Fly Shop
Sacramento, CA, USA

Web site: www.kiene.com


"Jarmo Hurri" wrote in message
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Jack Sorry, but if the line is hitting your rod, you have a tailing
Jack loop. If th line is not above the tip of the rod, it is
Jack tailing.

That's what I thought at one point too, but I don't think that this is
necessarily true. Think about the pendulum / underhand cast, for
example: there the line would *definitely* hit the rod if the cast
would be done vertically, but you can do it with or without tailing
loops.

http://www.sexyloops.com/flycasting/tunderhand.shtml

Jack If you are casting a lot of line, 40' plus, it is difficult to
Jack keep the line above the tip of the rod.

Why? If the line would drop below the tip of the rod, then it would
hit the rod, right? Referring to your comment above, would this mean
that with 40' plus of line, you tend to create tailing loops? If not,
then why is it difficult to keep 40' plus of line above the rod tip?
I'm not being a smartass here, I'm just trying to explore the problem.

--
Jarmo Hurri

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