Does anyone build their own leaders?

Gotcha. I am not familiar with the "tribs" of NY. I live and fish the
Eastern and Central Adirondacks. Looking forward to some cold weather
steelheading this spring though. Got my eye on the Wintson IIX 8 or 9
weight and the Galvan Torque reel.
"Scott Seidman" wrote in message
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"al" wrote in :

Hmm. Didn't notice that. What if I am not using lead? I use Dinsmore
No. 1's or Gremlin non-lead split shots. Side note: we can use 15
hook points. That's 15 flies if we can cast them...I have only gone
with 4 in the local ponds.
"Scott Seidman" wrote in message
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"al" wrote in :

I tie my own nymph leaders like this:
http://www.neshannock-tu.org/instruc...ed/hinged.html

"Randy" wrote in message
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Hey all,

I usually just buy the prepackaged leaders but was wondering what
if any, are the advantages / disadvantages of "rolling your own"
leaders?

TIA,

Randy





On the NY tribs, its illegal to have lead hanging below the hook.

Scott




If you're not using lead, it's fine if regs permit more than one hook--
they don't on NY tribs.

The whole rig, even with the lead, is legal in most places for most types
of fishing, but I rarely see a need to put lead below the hook. I think
the risk of foul-hooking goes up. NY banned the configuration on tribs
because too many people were intentionally "lining" fish. While there
are some nearly harmless configurations that involve lead below the hook,
the regs were drawn up that way to make enforcement easy.

I also don't generally use more than two nymphs-- its just too much of a
pain in the ass. I wouldn't want to daisy-chain them if I were using
more than two-- I'd arrange a traditional "cast"

Scott

Gotcha. I am not familiar with the "tribs" of NY. I live and fish the
Eastern and Central Adirondacks. Looking forward to some cold weather
steelheading this spring though. Got my eye on the Wintson IIX 8 or 9
weight and the Galvan Torque reel.
"Scott Seidman" wrote in message
. 1.4...
"al" wrote in :

Hmm. Didn't notice that. What if I am not using lead? I use Dinsmore
No. 1's or Gremlin non-lead split shots. Side note: we can use 15
hook points. That's 15 flies if we can cast them...I have only gone
with 4 in the local ponds.
"Scott Seidman" wrote in message
.4...
"al" wrote in :

I tie my own nymph leaders like this:
http://www.neshannock-tu.org/instruc...ed/hinged.html

"Randy" wrote in message
...
Hey all,

I usually just buy the prepackaged leaders but was wondering what
if any, are the advantages / disadvantages of "rolling your own"
leaders?

TIA,

Randy





On the NY tribs, its illegal to have lead hanging below the hook.

Scott




If you're not using lead, it's fine if regs permit more than one hook--
they don't on NY tribs.

The whole rig, even with the lead, is legal in most places for most types
of fishing, but I rarely see a need to put lead below the hook. I think
the risk of foul-hooking goes up. NY banned the configuration on tribs
because too many people were intentionally "lining" fish. While there
are some nearly harmless configurations that involve lead below the hook,
the regs were drawn up that way to make enforcement easy.

I also don't generally use more than two nymphs-- its just too much of a
pain in the ass. I wouldn't want to daisy-chain them if I were using
more than two-- I'd arrange a traditional "cast"

Scott

Tim Lysyk wrote:
Thomas Schreiber wrote:


12" = twelve feet

Dumbass Þ


Not unless you build stage sets for Spinal Tap.

Tim Lysyk
At least he'll know who his friends are on a hell hole!

Mine goes to 11.

Tim Lysyk wrote:
Thomas Schreiber wrote:


12" = twelve feet

Dumbass Þ


Not unless you build stage sets for Spinal Tap.

Tim Lysyk
At least he'll know who his friends are on a hell hole!

Mine goes to 11.

Wolfgang wrote:
"rw" wrote in message
nk.net...

Wolfgang wrote:

"rw" wrote in message

I've caught fish on FC tippet, and I've caught fish on mono tippet. It
doesn't seem to make any difference to me.

Here's what I think happens. Someone goes fishless for awhile and, in
desperation, tries FC. Then he catches a fish. Eureka! FC is suddenly the
greatest thing ever invented. It never occurs to the poor chump that
maybe he was just due.

The same thing happens with flies.



Hm.......fascinating theory. But.......um.......well, how would one ever
know.......unless one counted fish?

Wolfgang
who begins to suspect there's more to this flyfishing business than meets
the eye of the casual observer.

You don't have to count fish.


Actually, that's something I've suspected for a long time. As a matter of
fact, I never listen when someone tells me that I DO have to count fish.
Well, I guess I shouldn't say that I don't listen.......what I mean is that
I don't take such admonitions to heart. What it really comes down to is
that I count fish......or don't.....entirely at my own discretion.
Usually......not always, mind you....but usually, I count the first
one.....and then the second one......and then the third.....but after that
it's pretty much a hit or miss proposition. Sometimes I forget.......unless
I want to be certain that I'm catching more than someone else.....someone
like....well, whoever I'm fishing with for instance. But then, sometimes I
forget anyway. So, anyway, I bought a camera. I'm thinking about getting
my own web page......so I can share. Whattya think?


If you're halfway competent, you will catch fish when they start feeding.


See, this is what I love about this place. You're ALWAYS learning something
new!


If they aren't feeding it will be extremely difficult to catch them.


Oh. O.k. So that's like a......a.....a.....um....corollary to the thing
about you'll catch them if their feeding, huh?


After being frustrated, and switching to FC, and finally catching a fish,
switch back to mono.


Switch back? Huh? When did I stop using mono? Why wasn't I informed?



I know, it's hard to do, but try it.


Harder than you think. You see, I'm not all that sure I trust you anymore.
Frankly, I don't think I ever stopped using mono. If you think about it,
this will necessarily mean that it would not be simply hard, but damned near
impossible. Take your time.


See if you catch another fish.


O.k., I'll do that. Um.......but unless I catch an unspecified number
greater than one, I don't think I'll tell you about it because if I DO catch
just one, I don't see any way that I could NOT count it.......and, if I
counted it.......well, I know you hate people who do that......and I don't
want you to hate me......because then you wouldn't share anymore.

Wolfgang
and hey, how 'bout them teenage girls, huh? WOW!


Yes sur!

Wolfgang wrote:
"rw" wrote in message
nk.net...

Wolfgang wrote:

"rw" wrote in message

I've caught fish on FC tippet, and I've caught fish on mono tippet. It
doesn't seem to make any difference to me.

Here's what I think happens. Someone goes fishless for awhile and, in
desperation, tries FC. Then he catches a fish. Eureka! FC is suddenly the
greatest thing ever invented. It never occurs to the poor chump that
maybe he was just due.

The same thing happens with flies.



Hm.......fascinating theory. But.......um.......well, how would one ever
know.......unless one counted fish?

Wolfgang
who begins to suspect there's more to this flyfishing business than meets
the eye of the casual observer.

You don't have to count fish.


Actually, that's something I've suspected for a long time. As a matter of
fact, I never listen when someone tells me that I DO have to count fish.
Well, I guess I shouldn't say that I don't listen.......what I mean is that
I don't take such admonitions to heart. What it really comes down to is
that I count fish......or don't.....entirely at my own discretion.
Usually......not always, mind you....but usually, I count the first
one.....and then the second one......and then the third.....but after that
it's pretty much a hit or miss proposition. Sometimes I forget.......unless
I want to be certain that I'm catching more than someone else.....someone
like....well, whoever I'm fishing with for instance. But then, sometimes I
forget anyway. So, anyway, I bought a camera. I'm thinking about getting
my own web page......so I can share. Whattya think?


If you're halfway competent, you will catch fish when they start feeding.


See, this is what I love about this place. You're ALWAYS learning something
new!


If they aren't feeding it will be extremely difficult to catch them.


Oh. O.k. So that's like a......a.....a.....um....corollary to the thing
about you'll catch them if their feeding, huh?


After being frustrated, and switching to FC, and finally catching a fish,
switch back to mono.


Switch back? Huh? When did I stop using mono? Why wasn't I informed?



I know, it's hard to do, but try it.


Harder than you think. You see, I'm not all that sure I trust you anymore.
Frankly, I don't think I ever stopped using mono. If you think about it,
this will necessarily mean that it would not be simply hard, but damned near
impossible. Take your time.


See if you catch another fish.


O.k., I'll do that. Um.......but unless I catch an unspecified number
greater than one, I don't think I'll tell you about it because if I DO catch
just one, I don't see any way that I could NOT count it.......and, if I
counted it.......well, I know you hate people who do that......and I don't
want you to hate me......because then you wouldn't share anymore.

Wolfgang
and hey, how 'bout them teenage girls, huh? WOW!


Yes sur!

bruiser wrote:
I use the same leader butt forever and build it from there, because I'm
cheap. Many of us here use Tectan monofilament spooled onto Rio spools
; -). Tectan, from Cabelas, isn't all that abrasion resistant but it's
cheap. As much as I like saving money, the part I really like is winding
about 150 yards of tippet onto one spool and rarely running out when I'm
fishing. My friend just gave me about 150 yards of P Line flourocarbon,
apprx. 5x, and it's pretty good stuff too.

bruce h
"Guy Thornberg" wrote in message
...

Randy,
I tied a bunch of leaders accoring to the recipes around the web and they
worked fine. Now I just tie some of this and that from heavy to light in
about the lengths I think are appropriate for the water and they work fine
too. for the tippet, I tie on the lightest line that will not break on the
rise (I hope).

Also, if in a rush, tie on a 8' or 9' tapered leader and ad the tippet
material on to the end for the length desired.

I know. Not scientific but it works fine for me.
(be sure the fly is tied to the tippet with a clean knot without any kinky
tippet material in front of the fly).
Guy





Where are all the people here who jump all over somebody for "top
posting"? Interpol or newsgroup Hitler youth or whatever they are...

bruiser wrote:
I use the same leader butt forever and build it from there, because I'm
cheap. Many of us here use Tectan monofilament spooled onto Rio spools
; -). Tectan, from Cabelas, isn't all that abrasion resistant but it's
cheap. As much as I like saving money, the part I really like is winding
about 150 yards of tippet onto one spool and rarely running out when I'm
fishing. My friend just gave me about 150 yards of P Line flourocarbon,
apprx. 5x, and it's pretty good stuff too.

bruce h
"Guy Thornberg" wrote in message
...

Randy,
I tied a bunch of leaders accoring to the recipes around the web and they
worked fine. Now I just tie some of this and that from heavy to light in
about the lengths I think are appropriate for the water and they work fine
too. for the tippet, I tie on the lightest line that will not break on the
rise (I hope).

Also, if in a rush, tie on a 8' or 9' tapered leader and ad the tippet
material on to the end for the length desired.

I know. Not scientific but it works fine for me.
(be sure the fly is tied to the tippet with a clean knot without any kinky
tippet material in front of the fly).
Guy





Where are all the people here who jump all over somebody for "top
posting"? Interpol or newsgroup Hitler youth or whatever they are...

I agree that butt diameter is important. If you buy a certain weight
tapered leaders, they will all have the same butt diameter regardless what
fly line you are going to tie them to. The butt of the leader should have
about the same flexibility, sometimes the same diameter, as the line you are
going to attach them to. You can only do this by tying your own.

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Randy I usually just buy the prepackaged leaders but was wondering
Randy what if any, are the advantages / disadvantages of "rolling
Randy your own" leaders?

Initially I used leaders made of two sections of mono, connected to
each other with loop-to-loop connections.

When I started using "gracefully thinning" leaders, I tied them myself
from the very beginning. I've never bought a ready-made tapered
leader. The original reason was the idea of using different formulas
for different tasks. I guess it's still true to some degree, but the
number of different formulas that I use has decreased somewhat since
the beginning. One of the main reasons for tying the leaders myself
now is the ability to use different diameters in the butt section of
the leader for 2wt-6wt lines.

I now tie
- basic 9' leaders with .21 butt section for my 6wt
- basic 9' leaders with .19 butt section for my 4wt
- delicate 12' dry fly leaders with .19 butt section for the 4wt
- 5'-7.5' small-stream leaders with .19 butt section for my 3wt (with
which I use a 4wt line for close-up fishing)
- 8' basic leaders with .17 butt section for my 2wt
- 12' delicate dry fly leaders with .17 butt section for the 2wt

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I agree that butt diameter is important. If you buy a certain weight
tapered leaders, they will all have the same butt diameter regardless what
fly line you are going to tie them to. The butt of the leader should have
about the same flexibility, sometimes the same diameter, as the line you are
going to attach them to. You can only do this by tying your own.

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"Jarmo Hurri" wrote in message
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Randy I usually just buy the prepackaged leaders but was wondering
Randy what if any, are the advantages / disadvantages of "rolling
Randy your own" leaders?

Initially I used leaders made of two sections of mono, connected to
each other with loop-to-loop connections.

When I started using "gracefully thinning" leaders, I tied them myself
from the very beginning. I've never bought a ready-made tapered
leader. The original reason was the idea of using different formulas
for different tasks. I guess it's still true to some degree, but the
number of different formulas that I use has decreased somewhat since
the beginning. One of the main reasons for tying the leaders myself
now is the ability to use different diameters in the butt section of
the leader for 2wt-6wt lines.

I now tie
- basic 9' leaders with .21 butt section for my 6wt
- basic 9' leaders with .19 butt section for my 4wt
- delicate 12' dry fly leaders with .19 butt section for the 4wt
- 5'-7.5' small-stream leaders with .19 butt section for my 3wt (with
which I use a 4wt line for close-up fishing)
- 8' basic leaders with .17 butt section for my 2wt
- 12' delicate dry fly leaders with .17 butt section for the 2wt

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