John Wayne

"Mr. Opus McDopus" wrote in message
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Gene

For my part, I find it amazing that, supposed, grown men can get all
worked up over dead people. I couldn't care less if John Wayne had saved
Audey Murphy from the sights of Germany's own version of Sgt. York. Is a
Marine who saves the lives of his fellow Marines on one day a hero, if he
is convicted of murdering innocent civilians a week later?
.......Snip......

I don't care what John Wayne did either, although I enjoy some of his
movies, but then again, John Ford is the one who made the movies. Maybe, I'm
more of a fan of John Ford. Anyway, the point is, I just think re-writing
history is a ****ty thing to do, and that's what this is about, not who
likes John Wayne.

I'm gettin' off this dead horse.

Gene

On Thu, 01 Jun 2006 16:47:07 -0400, Dave LaCourse
wrote:

On Thu, 01 Jun 2006 15:21:30 -0400, daytripper
wrote:

Though you'd think he'd prefer leaving his identity at least a shadow of a
secret, he just can't resist grabbing that mantle, every time ;-)

I hide from no one, you cheap monkey.

**** fire and save matches - none of you gals is whatcha call "shy"...
y'all need to get a roll of visqueen, a coupla big ol' buckets of
Crisco, a wading pool, and a cheap, stinky motel room, and a New Seekers
CD collection...have ya a sorta rave-n-clave...

Gene Cottrell wrote:


I'm gettin' off this dead horse.

Again?

Idjit.

Wolfgang
git along little dogies.......yeehaw!

jeff wrote:
wrote:



This is the reason why I can get along with KenF ... while
adamantly disagreeing with much of [*his] personal ideologies.
[he] believe[s] what [he] believe[s] for [his] own reasons, but
[he] accept[s] that others believe differently.


yeah, right. ...try believing in something as benign as top-posting. g

See that's the funny thing. We both come from the same school of
thought on low-life scum that top-post. :-)
- Ken

In article ,
says...


Ken, you confound two different things (at least). Of course everyone can be
said to have a set of attitudes, opinions and beliefs (AOBs), arrived at
thru experience, education and even indoctrination. And you are choosing to
see these as "ideologies" (although you hedge a bit by sometimes appending
the word "personal"). And so by your lights I guess we could call each of
these "ideologies" as "Kenism," "KenFism," DaveLCism" etc., etc, ad nausea.

You are confusing ideologies with ideologies which groups of people
agree with. Basically, "popular ideologies". Pacifism,
conservationism, progressivism (whatever the individual decides to
define that as), etc are all "popular ideologies".

You can define ideology however you want, but what you really mean is
ideologies that you don't like suck. Unless conservationism and
pacifism suck too (just trying to pick a couple that I figure you
mostly agree with, pick others if you like).

Sorry, the Ideologies I say suck, are those broad band systems of thought,
worldview, and conclusions, which seek to subjugate experience, observation
and experiment (to a greater or lesser degree) to conformity with
pre-determined conclusions.

In other words, ideologies that don't conform to your world view.
- Ken

I was wondering what John Wayne had to do with fly-fishing, then I realized
what Lorena Bobbitt's
ex's rod meant to him.
-tom

wrote in message
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In article ,
says...


Ken, you confound two different things (at least). Of course everyone
can be
said to have a set of attitudes, opinions and beliefs (AOBs), arrived at
thru experience, education and even indoctrination. And you are
choosing to
see these as "ideologies" (although you hedge a bit by sometimes
appending
the word "personal"). And so by your lights I guess we could call each
of
these "ideologies" as "Kenism," "KenFism," DaveLCism" etc., etc, ad
nausea.

You are confusing ideologies with ideologies which groups of people
agree with. Basically, "popular ideologies". Pacifism,
conservationism, progressivism (whatever the individual decides to
define that as), etc are all "popular ideologies".

You can define ideology however you want, but what you really mean is
ideologies that you don't like suck. Unless conservationism and
pacifism suck too (just trying to pick a couple that I figure you
mostly agree with, pick others if you like).

Sorry, the Ideologies I say suck, are those broad band systems of
thought,
worldview, and conclusions, which seek to subjugate experience,
observation
and experiment (to a greater or lesser degree) to conformity with
pre-determined conclusions.

In other words, ideologies that don't conform to your world view.
- Ken

Ken, Ken, Ken,

Wherever did you get the idea that I was a follower of pacifism or
conservationism? Whats so hard with understanding "Ideology sucks" anyway?
Would it help you if I said "All ideologies suck" ? Following an ideology,
any ideology, ties one to a specific pre-determined set of conclusions. I
try to avoid ideological thinking, and give more credence to empirical
evidence, observation, experience, and experiment.

So for example, in the political realm, Im less impressed with a candidate's
grand statements of generalized "principles" and "values": I am much more
interested in their specific experience in getting things done, fixing
problems, reaching workable compromises, and whether they can limit the
application of whatever "personal ideology" they have to their own
household, and not lay their personal AOBs on everyone else.

As far as we need a framework for governance, the Constitution is plenty
enough for the US, but I would not presume to force it on any other peoples.

Dave

David Snedeker wrote:
Would it help you if I said "All ideologies suck" ?

I thought you were.....which is why it's funny.

Following an ideology,
any ideology, ties one to a specific pre-determined set of conclusions. I
try to avoid ideological thinking, and give more credence to empirical
evidence, observation, experience, and experiment.

That's a nice ideology you have there.....even if it does suck.
- Ken

"David Snedeker" wrote in message
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wrote in message
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In article ,
says...


Ken, you confound two different things (at least). Of course everyone
can be
said to have a set of attitudes, opinions and beliefs (AOBs), arrived
at
thru experience, education and even indoctrination. And you are
choosing to
see these as "ideologies" (although you hedge a bit by sometimes
appending
the word "personal"). And so by your lights I guess we could call each
of
these "ideologies" as "Kenism," "KenFism," DaveLCism" etc., etc, ad
nausea.

You are confusing ideologies with ideologies which groups of people
agree with. Basically, "popular ideologies". Pacifism,
conservationism, progressivism (whatever the individual decides to
define that as), etc are all "popular ideologies".

You can define ideology however you want, but what you really mean is
ideologies that you don't like suck. Unless conservationism and
pacifism suck too (just trying to pick a couple that I figure you
mostly agree with, pick others if you like).

Sorry, the Ideologies I say suck, are those broad band systems of
thought,
worldview, and conclusions, which seek to subjugate experience,
observation
and experiment (to a greater or lesser degree) to conformity with
pre-determined conclusions.

In other words, ideologies that don't conform to your world view.
- Ken

Ken, Ken, Ken,

Wherever did you get the idea that I was a follower of pacifism or
conservationism? Whats so hard with understanding "Ideology sucks" anyway?
Would it help you if I said "All ideologies suck" ? Following an ideology,
any ideology, ties one to a specific pre-determined set of conclusions. I
try to avoid ideological thinking, and give more credence to empirical
evidence, observation, experience, and experiment.

So for example, in the political realm, Im less impressed with a
candidate's
grand statements of generalized "principles" and "values": I am much more
interested in their specific experience in getting things done, fixing
problems, reaching workable compromises, and whether they can limit the
application of whatever "personal ideology" they have to their own
household, and not lay their personal AOBs on everyone else.

As far as we need a framework for governance, the Constitution is plenty
enough for the US, but I would not presume to force it on any other
peoples.

Do you ever have lucid moments.......you know, times when you actually
realize how stunningly crazy you are?

Wolfgang

"Wolfgang" wrote in message
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Snips.

Do you ever have lucid moments.......you know, times when you actually
realize how stunningly crazy you are?

Wolfgang

Of course. And you?

Dave