On track for a 2020 ban on sportsfishing?

Years ago I made a prediction (here) that sports fishing would be
banned around the year 2020 and that pure, Catch and Release fishing
would be causal for this.

I would have to think the following website is indicitive of the
direction of the animal rights groups and the more citified people who,
as Russell Chatham says, "only exposure to unreconstructed nature is
stepping in a pile of poodle excrement on the sidewalk".

http://www.fishinghurts.com/feat-dogfish.asp?c=1509

The Norwegian's figured this out in 1998. The basic arguments were
basically restated in the Norwegian Ministry of Agriculture report:

http://org.nlh.no/etikkutvalget/English/catch.htm

Bottom line, if you want to preserve fishing develop a taste for fish.
Kill what you catch and then quit. It is the only way folks.

Your pal,

Halfordian Golfer

wrote:
Years ago I made a prediction (here) that sports fishing would be
banned around the year 2020 and that pure, Catch and Release fishing
would be causal for this.

I would have to think the following website is indicitive of the
direction of the animal rights groups and the more citified people who,
as Russell Chatham says, "only exposure to unreconstructed nature is
stepping in a pile of poodle excrement on the sidewalk".

http://www.fishinghurts.com/feat-dogfish.asp?c=1509

The Norwegian's figured this out in 1998. The basic arguments were
basically restated in the Norwegian Ministry of Agriculture report:

http://org.nlh.no/etikkutvalget/English/catch.htm

Bottom line, if you want to preserve fishing develop a taste for fish.
Kill what you catch and then quit. It is the only way folks.

Your pal,

Halfordian Golfer

dumbass.

Wolfgang

I don't want Tim to be right about this, because
****, I like to fish. Work sucks. My kids are grown.
Late in life the only pleasures left are the
the three f's of happines:
family friends and fishing (not fishing fighting and ****ing).
......or maybe that's the 5 good things left.

But I have to say, despite all that, fishing is starting to lose its
alure.
When I drive up to Wolf Creek to fish the Missouri
and see 100 driftboats launching at once, I just
want to turn around and drive home. I have a lifelong friend
Randy who won't even fish in Montana anymore.

And yes, I know, because I make and popularize
driftboats, I'm guiltier than most. Byt blame isn't the point.
Crowded fishing conditions suck.

And there's a connection lurking there too, between
pain-in-the ass crowded fishing conditions and what Tim's been
talking about.

I remember when my dad and I first started fishing Sough Creek
and the Lamar in Yellowstone in the early 1960s. We'd fish
all week long and see maybe 2- 3 other fishermen.
And we knew all three of them. That's what I really liked about
fishing in
Montana, way back then. And those days are long gone, forever.

wrote:
I don't want Tim to be right about this, because
****, I like to fish. Work sucks. My kids are grown.
Late in life the only pleasures left are the
the three f's of happines:
family friends and fishing (not fishing fighting and ****ing).
.....or maybe that's the 5 good things left.

Yeah......gotta love that fighting!

But I have to say, despite all that, fishing is starting to lose its
alure.
When I drive up to Wolf Creek to fish the Missouri
and see 100 driftboats launching at once, I just
want to turn around and drive home. I have a lifelong friend
Randy who won't even fish in Montana anymore.

Tell him to try the Root River in Racine. Nothing like
Montana......nothing at all.

And yes, I know, because I make and popularize
driftboats, I'm guiltier than most. Byt blame isn't the point.
Crowded fishing conditions suck.

No, blame isn't the point. You make and popularize drift
boats.......too many drift boats.....no correlation.....nope.

Crowded fishing conditions.....well, they just suck.....that's all.

And there's a connection lurking there too,

Should'a guessed it......would'a.....eventually.....probably.....ma ybe.

between
pain-in-the ass crowded fishing conditions and what Tim's been
talking about.

Could be.....theoretically.....but, for the time being, it's his own
ass that his head is stuck up.

I remember when my dad and I first started fishing Sough Creek
and the Lamar in Yellowstone in the early 1960s.

That would be about the time somebody else quit because there were too
many assholes moving in and crowding the streams.

We'd fish
all week long and see maybe 2- 3 other fishermen.
And we knew all three of them.

Um.....or two.....as the case may be.

That's what I really liked about
fishing in
Montana, way back then.

Heck yeah.....EVERYBODY should have his own personal national park,
ainna?

And those days are long gone, forever.

Well, dang......that's just a dang shame.....dang it!

Wolfgang
why do they hate us?

wrote:
I don't want Tim to be right about this, because
****, I like to fish. Work sucks. My kids are grown.
Late in life the only pleasures left are the
the three f's of happines:
family friends and fishing (not fishing fighting and ****ing).
.....or maybe that's the 5 good things left.

But I have to say, despite all that, fishing is starting to lose its
alure.
When I drive up to Wolf Creek to fish the Missouri
and see 100 driftboats launching at once, I just
want to turn around and drive home. I have a lifelong friend
Randy who won't even fish in Montana anymore.

And yes, I know, because I make and popularize
driftboats, I'm guiltier than most. Byt blame isn't the point.
Crowded fishing conditions suck.

And there's a connection lurking there too, between
pain-in-the ass crowded fishing conditions and what Tim's been
talking about.

I remember when my dad and I first started fishing Sough Creek
and the Lamar in Yellowstone in the early 1960s. We'd fish
all week long and see maybe 2- 3 other fishermen.
And we knew all three of them. That's what I really liked about
fishing in
Montana, way back then. And those days are long gone, forever.

That's how I remember it too. There was a time, if you saw someone, or
a car, you were obliged to go somewhere else or make a damned good
effort to go up and around a long way above or below him to fish,
hopefully without him never being made aware of your presence. Fishing
to 'unspooked' fish was a primary quality of the experience. Then, to
go back to camp or home, with a few fish, eaten and never, ever wasted,
was the fishing experience. I remember the first time a 'guide' waded
right through my drift on the frying pan, I'll never forget that. I
don't think that they will ever be successful at eliminating
subsistence fishing, but, pure catch and release and no biological
management justification, will lose, and might lose to a popular vote
if put to it today.

Your pal,

Halfordian Golfer
Guilt replaced the creel

Perhaps you are correct.
With over population and urban sprawl
And global warming, pollution and all the other issues
Sport fishing will be a thing of the past.

Humans tend to stick their heads up their asses.

Esp Americans like George W Bush
He surely represents most Americans

We all saw and now see this coming rapidly
What do we do about it?

**** - Bomb Iraq that's a good option.
Keep drilling for oil EVERYWHERE
That's another great option!


Fred

--
Fred Lebow

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wrote:
I don't want Tim to be right about this, because
****, I like to fish. Work sucks. My kids are grown.
Late in life the only pleasures left are the
the three f's of happines:
family friends and fishing (not fishing fighting and ****ing).
.....or maybe that's the 5 good things left.

But I have to say, despite all that, fishing is starting to lose its
alure.
When I drive up to Wolf Creek to fish the Missouri
and see 100 driftboats launching at once, I just
want to turn around and drive home. I have a lifelong friend
Randy who won't even fish in Montana anymore.

And yes, I know, because I make and popularize
driftboats, I'm guiltier than most. Byt blame isn't the point.
Crowded fishing conditions suck.

And there's a connection lurking there too, between
pain-in-the ass crowded fishing conditions and what Tim's been
talking about.

I remember when my dad and I first started fishing Sough Creek
and the Lamar in Yellowstone in the early 1960s. We'd fish
all week long and see maybe 2- 3 other fishermen.
And we knew all three of them. That's what I really liked about
fishing in
Montana, way back then. And those days are long gone, forever.

That's how I remember it too. There was a time, if you saw someone, or
a car, you were obliged to go somewhere else or make a damned good
effort to go up and around a long way above or below him to fish,
hopefully without him never being made aware of your presence. Fishing
to 'unspooked' fish was a primary quality of the experience. Then, to
go back to camp or home, with a few fish, eaten and never, ever wasted,
was the fishing experience. I remember the first time a 'guide' waded
right through my drift on the frying pan, I'll never forget that. I
don't think that they will ever be successful at eliminating
subsistence fishing, but, pure catch and release and no biological
management justification, will lose, and might lose to a popular vote
if put to it today.

Your pal,

Halfordian Golfer
Guilt replaced the creel

Fred Lebow wrote:
Perhaps you are correct.
With over population and urban sprawl
And global warming, pollution and all the other issues
Sport fishing will be a thing of the past.

Humans tend to stick their heads up their asses.

Esp Americans like George W Bush
He surely represents most Americans

We all saw and now see this coming rapidly
What do we do about it?

**** - Bomb Iraq that's a good option.
Keep drilling for oil EVERYWHERE
That's another great option!

No, no, no, Fred. You just don't get it. The REAL problem is catch and
release fishing.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

rw typed:
Fred Lebow wrote:
Perhaps you are correct.
With over population and urban sprawl
And global warming, pollution and all the other issues
Sport fishing will be a thing of the past.

Humans tend to stick their heads up their asses.
snipped political troll

No, no, no, Fred. You just don't get it. The REAL problem is catch and
release fishing.

The *real* problem is top posting.
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TL,
Tim
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http://css.sbcma.com/timj/

"Fred Lebow" wrote in message
...

Esp Americans like George W Bush
He surely represents most Americans

Sad but true - the problem with America isn't Bush. It's Americans.

jeffc wrote:
"Fred Lebow" wrote in message
...

Esp Americans like George W Bush
He surely represents most Americans


Sad but true - the problem with America isn't Bush. It's Americans.



well, sorta but not exactly...though, i agree insofar as americans on
election days. still, bush is definitely an american problem.