Ping Bill Kiene - Fly Rod Tube?

Old Grey wrote in
:

Since you own a fly shop I thought you might be a good person
to ask.
I hope you don't mind the intrusion. I have a 9' four piece
Winston
Ibis that came with the cordura rod tube. Together with the
rod and
tube it weighs in around 19 oz. I am looking to do some long
backpacking trips this summer (Muir Trail) and am trying to
find a
lighter rod tube but one that still has rigid sides. Do you
know of
any rigid side tubes (aluminium or other material) 2 inch
diameter by
30 inches long or so that weigh in less than 8 to 10 oz.?

Thanks for any feedback.

Allyn


Phenolic tubing may be an option.

http://www.the-rocketman.com/store/tubing.html

rt

rw wrote:
riverman wrote:
them fit snugly. They make several dozen types of endcaps, so it
wouldn't be hard to find one that did the job.


PVC is heavy.

The lightest commonly available rod tubes are made with aluminum. Sage
has great aluminum rod tubes.



Not so. You do have to use the schedule 200 thin wall irrigation pipe,
not the thick wall schedule 40 domestic plumbing pipe. I weighed my PVC
tube and closures. Comes in around 330 grams for a 4 piece 9' rod. . The
aluminum tube it replaces comes in at 450 grams. What does Sage get for
their tubes? I got about $2 in materials in my rod tube. I have used the
type of closures riverman talks about for rod tubes where I don't care
about the weight. I weighed one that closes a 1.5" tube. It weighs 75
grams. The rolled foam closure of the same size that I made for my
backpack tube comes in at 10 grams. But what do you know about light
weight--you're a horsepacker, cast iron dutch ovens and skillets and
that kind of clunk.

Mike

On Sun, 05 Feb 2006 06:12:23 GMT, Mike McGuire
wrote:

rw wrote:
riverman wrote:
them fit snugly. They make several dozen types of endcaps, so it
wouldn't be hard to find one that did the job.


PVC is heavy.

The lightest commonly available rod tubes are made with aluminum. Sage
has great aluminum rod tubes.



Not so. You do have to use the schedule 200 thin wall irrigation pipe,
not the thick wall schedule 40 domestic plumbing pipe. I weighed my PVC
tube and closures. Comes in around 330 grams for a 4 piece 9' rod. .

And 330 grams is...

TC,
R
.... I'm going to bet it's darned near 1/3 of a kilogram...and a few
ounces more than 9 or 10...

On Sat, 04 Feb 2006 22:53:29 GMT, Old Grey
wrote:

Since you own a fly shop I thought you might be a good person to ask.
I hope you don't mind the intrusion. I have a 9' four piece Winston
Ibis that came with the cordura rod tube. Together with the rod and
tube it weighs in around 19 oz. I am looking to do some long
backpacking trips this summer (Muir Trail) and am trying to find a
lighter rod tube but one that still has rigid sides. Do you know of
any rigid side tubes (aluminium or other material) 2 inch diameter by
30 inches long or so that weigh in less than 8 to 10 oz.?

Thanks for any feedback.

Allyn

How "rigid" fits your definition of rigid? Does it need to survive a
fall that you, um, won't or ??? If it simply needs to protect the rod
and guides from bumps/snags, you might look at a corrugated plastic
tube*, such as used for storing photos, plans, art prints, etc. I don't
know the weight of it for a section 2" x 30", but I'd bet such data
could be found fairly easily online, and like the paper-product tube, it
has matching light plastic end caps, so if it will fit your needs, you
could assemble your own with no more labor than cutting the tube as
needed and inserting the end caps.

If that won't be "strong" enough, look up the weights of thinwall
aluminum tubing, and find the alloy type that will work, weight-wise,
and locate it that way - IOW, it may be easier to find a 2" diameter
tube of "XXXX" alloy material than to find a "rod tube" that weighs in
at less than 9-10 oz.

*This is like the corrugated sign material, and it comes in various
weights, strengths, etc.

HTH,
R

rw wrote:

If I were doubtful about my ability to take care of my stuff and not to
fall off cliffs, however, I might not take an overpriced Winston.

For the record, the IBIS the original poster mentioned my have been
sold by Winston, but it is not a Winston, one's feeling on the pricing
structure notwithstanding. And it was priced as an "entry level rod".

Carry on.

Wayne
Who uses aluminum tools last time I backpacked.

On 2/4/06 7:47 PM, in article
et, "rw"
wrote:

If I were doubtful about my ability to take care of my stuff and not to
fall off cliffs, however, I might not take an overpriced Winston.

That's what I was thinking. I mean, I thought that's why the make the
Cabela's KPOS Three Forks 3 weight! Not that I do the Muir trail (I wish!)
but that's what I carry when I'm hiking with a pack. I secure it to the
side of my pack in the rod sock. Hasn't busted while hiking yet- though I
did break the tip in the screen door one time. And my hikes are generally
in the relatively tightly-wooded and rocky eastern US. Lots of rod-grabbing
trailside stuff around here.

Bill

Thanks for the various feedback so far. The PVC idea has some merit,
but can't seem to find any Class 125 or 200 in the 2 inch diameter so
far and the Schedule 40 is too heavy. The titanium tubing idea on
eBay caught my eye, but the price ($195) was a little too much. The
aluminum tubing out there seems to weigh a little more than I want,
but the model rocket tubing looks like a possibility. A 2-inch
diameter by 36 inch long piece is 8.7 oz and the 1.5 inch is 6.2 oz.

As for the mailing tube type, weight is just right but is too flexible
as not sure it would protect the rod.

As for going just with the sock, not sure I want to risk that. While
my hiking capabilities are not superior, I don't think I will be
falling off of cliffs or such. Just 220 plus miles of pack on and off
is too much of a chance for just the sock and I don't feel like
carrying my rod all those miles in my hand. Figure if I go 220 plus
miles through grand slam territory, I want my rod to make it.

As for my rod, well it is what it is and works great for me. Don't
really care who's name is on the label and who sold/made it. Price
was right for me (birthday present from my wife).

Thanks again..

Wayne Knight wrote:

Wayne
Who uses aluminum tools last time I backpacked.



No offense, but I'm guessing that was time ago.....


Back in my younger days, a 30 pounds of pack and gear was considered
very light. Things have really changed for the better in terms of gear
available. Inspired by Snoop, I've gotten back into some kind of shape
and backpacking. I did a couple trips this past Fall and I have a number
of short trips planned for this Summer. I bought some new gear and the
pack, sleeping bag, pad, tent, stove, cooking gear, fuel, fishing gear,
clothes, raingear with food and other assorted stuff for a long weekend
is less than 20 pounds which even this aging body can carry fairly
easily. I don't use a rod case.

Willi

Mike McGuire wrote:
rw wrote:

riverman wrote:

them fit snugly. They make several dozen types of endcaps, so it

wouldn't be hard to find one that did the job.



PVC is heavy.

The lightest commonly available rod tubes are made with aluminum. Sage
has great aluminum rod tubes.



Not so. You do have to use the schedule 200 thin wall irrigation pipe,
not the thick wall schedule 40 domestic plumbing pipe. I weighed my PVC
tube and closures. Comes in around 330 grams for a 4 piece 9' rod. . The
aluminum tube it replaces comes in at 450 grams. What does Sage get for
their tubes? I got about $2 in materials in my rod tube. I have used the
type of closures riverman talks about for rod tubes where I don't care
about the weight. I weighed one that closes a 1.5" tube. It weighs 75
grams. The rolled foam closure of the same size that I made for my
backpack tube comes in at 10 grams. But what do you know about light
weight--you're a horsepacker, cast iron dutch ovens and skillets and
that kind of clunk.

Mike

IMO, at 330 grams you're still dealing with considerable weight. I use
PVC cases in my van and when flying, but I don't want to be toting one
around in the mountains.

Willi

On Sun, 05 Feb 2006 15:56:28 GMT, Old Grey
wrote:

Thanks for the various feedback so far. The PVC idea has some merit,
but can't seem to find any Class 125 or 200 in the 2 inch diameter so
far and the Schedule 40 is too heavy. The titanium tubing idea on
eBay caught my eye, but the price ($195) was a little too much. The
aluminum tubing out there seems to weigh a little more than I want,
but the model rocket tubing looks like a possibility. A 2-inch
diameter by 36 inch long piece is 8.7 oz and the 1.5 inch is 6.2 oz.

As for the mailing tube type, weight is just right but is too flexible
as not sure it would protect the rod.

Not sure what you mean by "flexible" ??? The tube (made of the
_corrugated_ material - the solid style wouldn't be as sturdy) itself
wouldn't be what _I'd_ call "flexible," but granted, it wouldn't be as
"side-impact" crush-resistant as solid PVC, aluminum, etc. As it can
handle FedEx/UPS shipping, it is reasonably sturdy - as always, YMMV.

If the titanium idea interests you, and you have any access to industry
in which it is used, you might check that avenue for "scrap" tubing.
I've gotten such material from scrap dealers for no more than the scrap
weight value plus a little profit for them. For example, I have
stainless steel fence gates that we've made out of non-spec tubing for
under .50USD a pound

TC,
R