responsible flyfisherman?

"steve" wrote in message
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Fly fisherman usually pride themselves on their environmental
responsibility. Yet flourocarbin will basically NEVER decompose. It
seems preety environmentally irresponsible to use.

What are people's opinions on this?

What do you use, Steve? And what is YOUR opinion?

You first.
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TL,
Tim
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"Tim J." wrote:

"steve" wrote in message
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Fly fisherman usually pride themselves on their environmental
responsibility. Yet flourocarbin will basically NEVER decompose. It
seems preety environmentally irresponsible to use.

What are people's opinions on this?

What do you use, Steve? And what is YOUR opinion?

I use mono. But that is just because flourocarbin tipit costs like $9
and I buy trilene which costs like $1.09. Now I go even cheaper than
that by buying from the bulk spool which is 3 cents a yard.

*BUT* one of the places I buy from carries ONE brand of flourocarbin in
the bulk for 3 cents a yard (y line) and I am thinking of switching

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"riverman" wrote:

Which makes things WORSE. all that invisible line for fish to get
snapped up in

It'd be pretty hard for a fish to get 'snapped up in' little 1/2 to 1-inch
pieces of mono. I haul out lots more mono from spincasters's birdsnests than
I ever leave behind.

Again you are forgetting about the line that you lose from a snag or
from a fish. If you loose it to a rock you could easily have 4 feet of
line. If its mono it will break down and disintegrate. If its
polycarbin it will stay in tact for life.

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irate (Dave LaCourse) wrote:

Steve writes:

Do flyfisherman have their line snapped off by rock, big fish, etc? Your
line breaks, your line is going to be in the water (snagging fish)
basically forever.

Yes, I've lost 18 - 24 of FC, but I have never seen a fish tangled in it, and
I
do a helluva lot of fishing and catching. FC also degrades, perhaps not as
fast as mono, but it does degrade. You should be more concerned over spin
fishers dumping tangled bird's nests in the water. If you want to tilt at
windmills, go after the bait chuckers who leave all kinds of garbage on the
shore/water, including tons of mono.
Dave


Are you sure FC will degrade? The article in the flyfishing mag I read
said it will NEVER degrade. They also said that fish get caught in
snagged off leader. They werent anti FC, they were for it saying how
great it is. They just mentioned that as one con.

"steve" wrote...
(Dave LaCourse) wrote:

Steve writes:

Do flyfisherman have their line snapped off by rock, big fish, etc? Your
line breaks, your line is going to be in the water (snagging fish)
basically forever.

Yes, I've lost 18 - 24 of FC, but I have never seen a fish tangled in it,
and
I
do a helluva lot of fishing and catching. FC also degrades, perhaps not as
fast as mono, but it does degrade. You should be more concerned over spin
fishers dumping tangled bird's nests in the water. If you want to tilt at
windmills, go after the bait chuckers who leave all kinds of garbage on the
shore/water, including tons of mono.
Dave


Are you sure FC will degrade?

YES.
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TL,
God

On Mon, 03 Nov 2003 17:31:17 GMT, steve wrote:

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"riverman" wrote:

Which makes things WORSE. all that invisible line for fish to get
snapped up in

It'd be pretty hard for a fish to get 'snapped up in' little 1/2 to 1-inch
pieces of mono. I haul out lots more mono from spincasters's birdsnests than
I ever leave behind.

Again you are forgetting about the line that you lose from a snag or
from a fish. If you loose it to a rock you could easily have 4 feet of
line. If its mono it will break down and disintegrate. If its
polycarbin it will stay in tact for life.

Is that true? Does FC resist all forms of degradation or just UV degradation? I
don't know and don't use it anyway (too cheap) but it would be interesting to
see how long it lasts in the stream. Any studies done on it?

g.c.

By the way, ice fishermen love the stuff and I'm sure there is lots more
discarded from their tip ups and jigging reels than from flyfishermen's tippets.

steve wrote in
:

Fly fisherman usually pride themselves on their environmental
responsibility. Yet flourocarbin will basically NEVER
decompose. It seems preety environmentally irresponsible to
use.

What are people's opinions on this?

Varied.

Steve (this could get confusing

"steve" wrote in message
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Again you are forgetting about the line that you lose from a snag or
from a fish. If you loose it to a rock you could easily have 4 feet
of
line.

LOSE! The word is LOSE, fool.

If its mono it will break down and disintegrate. If its
polycarbin it will stay in tact for life.

INTACT is one word. And what the hell does "for life" mean? Whose
life? The life of the line? I should hope so. As a matter of fact I
strongly suspect that fluorocarbon* line (which, by the way, is by no
means necessarily distinct from "monofilament") enjoys the same
guarantee as most manufactured products today. That is to say, the
product is guaranteed for the life of the product. I will be happy to
furnish a translation in English for anyone who doesn't quite see the
implications.

Meanwhile, fluorocarbon line shares one other important feature with
every other manufactured product. In time, it WILL disintegrate, if
not to its constituent atoms, then at least to microscopically small
bits of inert gunk. It just takes a bit longer than some other
materials.

Wolfgang
then too, while fools may or may not take as long to disintegrate as
fluorocarbon line (depending on specific local conditions), they
certainly do a great deal more damage for the life of the product.

*There is a wide range of polymers that include chlorine and/or
fluorine. That a particular polymer or class of polymers currently
used in the making of fishing lines and containing one or both of
these elements goes by the name of "fluorocarbon" should not be
construed as suggesting that older and more familiar products lack
them.

steve wrote in
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rw wrote:


But ... it's INVISIBLE! :-)

Which makes things WORSE. all that invisible line for fish to
get snapped up in


Steve,

Please visit www.google.com and

Groups in particular: rec.outdoors.fishing.fly

Search on flourocarbon (and variant spellings).
Read results from earlier threads, it may help.


Steve

"Wolfgang" wrote
*There is a wide range of polymers that include chlorine and/or
fluorine. That a particular polymer or class of polymers currently
used in the making of fishing lines and containing one or both of
these elements goes by the name of "fluorocarbon" should not be
construed as suggesting that older and more familiar products lack
them.


Looks like we better go back to Silk Worm Gut.
Ernie