responsible flyfisherman?

Fly fisherman usually pride themselves on their environmental
responsibility. Yet flourocarbin will basically NEVER decompose. It
seems preety environmentally irresponsible to use.

What are people's opinions on this?

steve wrote:
Fly fisherman usually pride themselves on their environmental
responsibility. Yet flourocarbin will basically NEVER decompose. It
seems preety environmentally irresponsible to use.

What are people's opinions on this?

But ... it's INVISIBLE! :-)

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Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

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rw wrote:

steve wrote:
Fly fisherman usually pride themselves on their environmental
responsibility. Yet flourocarbin will basically NEVER decompose. It
seems preety environmentally irresponsible to use.

What are people's opinions on this?

But ... it's INVISIBLE! :-)

Which makes things WORSE. all that invisible line for fish to get
snapped up in

"steve" wrote in message
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rw wrote:

steve wrote:
Fly fisherman usually pride themselves on their environmental
responsibility. Yet flourocarbin will basically NEVER decompose. It
seems preety environmentally irresponsible to use.

What are people's opinions on this?

But ... it's INVISIBLE! :-)

Which makes things WORSE. all that invisible line for fish to get
snapped up in

It'd be pretty hard for a fish to get 'snapped up in' little 1/2 to 1-inch
pieces of mono. I haul out lots more mono from spincasters's birdsnests than
I ever leave behind.

--riverman

"riverman" wrote in message
It'd be pretty hard for a fish to get 'snapped up in' little 1/2 to 1-inch
pieces of mono. I haul out lots more mono from spincasters's birdsnests
than
I ever leave behind.

Likewise. Sure, I break off a few fish, but very, very rarely lose a
significant length of tippet (the Salmon River notwithstanding). Like
Myron, I recover far more mono, hooks, lead, and just plain garbage than I
lose on a typical trip.

On the Salmon River (NY), I do frequently lose 18-24" of FC tippet on
larger fish, but just as my negative environmental impact is greater, so is
my net positive. I guarantee I've pulled more spin casting bull**** out of
that river than every other place I've fished combined. Between the
incredible fishing pressure that place receives and the similarly incredible
disregard for the river, the amount of discarded 30# mono in the bottom of
that river must be amazing. I regret my small contributions, but it's a
small drop in a very big bucket.

Joe F.

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"riverman" wrote:

Which makes things WORSE. all that invisible line for fish to get
snapped up in

It'd be pretty hard for a fish to get 'snapped up in' little 1/2 to 1-inch
pieces of mono. I haul out lots more mono from spincasters's birdsnests than
I ever leave behind.

Again you are forgetting about the line that you lose from a snag or
from a fish. If you loose it to a rock you could easily have 4 feet of
line. If its mono it will break down and disintegrate. If its
polycarbin it will stay in tact for life.

On Mon, 03 Nov 2003 17:31:17 GMT, steve wrote:

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"riverman" wrote:

Which makes things WORSE. all that invisible line for fish to get
snapped up in

It'd be pretty hard for a fish to get 'snapped up in' little 1/2 to 1-inch
pieces of mono. I haul out lots more mono from spincasters's birdsnests than
I ever leave behind.

Again you are forgetting about the line that you lose from a snag or
from a fish. If you loose it to a rock you could easily have 4 feet of
line. If its mono it will break down and disintegrate. If its
polycarbin it will stay in tact for life.

Is that true? Does FC resist all forms of degradation or just UV degradation? I
don't know and don't use it anyway (too cheap) but it would be interesting to
see how long it lasts in the stream. Any studies done on it?

g.c.

By the way, ice fishermen love the stuff and I'm sure there is lots more
discarded from their tip ups and jigging reels than from flyfishermen's tippets.

"steve" wrote in message
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Again you are forgetting about the line that you lose from a snag or
from a fish. If you loose it to a rock you could easily have 4 feet
of
line.

LOSE! The word is LOSE, fool.

If its mono it will break down and disintegrate. If its
polycarbin it will stay in tact for life.

INTACT is one word. And what the hell does "for life" mean? Whose
life? The life of the line? I should hope so. As a matter of fact I
strongly suspect that fluorocarbon* line (which, by the way, is by no
means necessarily distinct from "monofilament") enjoys the same
guarantee as most manufactured products today. That is to say, the
product is guaranteed for the life of the product. I will be happy to
furnish a translation in English for anyone who doesn't quite see the
implications.

Meanwhile, fluorocarbon line shares one other important feature with
every other manufactured product. In time, it WILL disintegrate, if
not to its constituent atoms, then at least to microscopically small
bits of inert gunk. It just takes a bit longer than some other
materials.

Wolfgang
then too, while fools may or may not take as long to disintegrate as
fluorocarbon line (depending on specific local conditions), they
certainly do a great deal more damage for the life of the product.

*There is a wide range of polymers that include chlorine and/or
fluorine. That a particular polymer or class of polymers currently
used in the making of fishing lines and containing one or both of
these elements goes by the name of "fluorocarbon" should not be
construed as suggesting that older and more familiar products lack
them.

No it doesn't, it breaks down. The mere action of current and water action
rubbing it against the snag or the rocks and once free as it tumbles along
means it breaks down into minute pieces pretty quickly unless it is in
virtually stagnant water and I can't imagine that would happen often. While
it may not biodegrade, it does break up into pieces so small it offers no
real environmental problem.

--
Clark Reid
http://www.dryflynz.com
Umpqua Designer Flytier

steve wrote in
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rw wrote:


But ... it's INVISIBLE! :-)

Which makes things WORSE. all that invisible line for fish to
get snapped up in


Steve,

Please visit www.google.com and

Groups in particular: rec.outdoors.fishing.fly

Search on flourocarbon (and variant spellings).
Read results from earlier threads, it may help.


Steve