IMO, the final words on hot or boiling water and mono...

wrote:

Oh, I don't know...it's all pretty simple...unless you try and make it
difficult for yourself...buy hey, YMMV...

TC,
R

Your final words going to carry on for much longer?

Dickie boy, it does not really matter to me what you or anybody else
on ROFF thinks of my advice, or that a number of you feel compelled to
ridicule it, deny that it works, or invent a load of bull**** to
"prove" that it doesn´t.

The advice on the leaders was directed at Mr.Kistner, who asked the
question in the first place. It worked, and he is happy with it. He
will doubtless now do the same thing again if he ever gets some badly
coiled leaders, as doubtless will some other people, even if they don
´t admit to it on here.

My primary objective in this case, of simply helping another angler,
was achieved as soon as he successfully carried out my advice.

It is extremely unlikely that either he or anybody else who tries it,
or has tried it, will take much notice of your or anybody else´s
witterings on the matter, as they then know that it works.

MC

wrote in message
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...it's all pretty simple....

Yeah, EVERYBODY knows about nylon's pesky absorption problem.

Idiot.

Wolfgang

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I don't know how long you've been around, but I've suggested this a few
times over the years - if you have a room that you can use for this, put
a small nail or picture hanger hook in each corner and use rubber bands
and small stainless or plated hooks to "stretch" (not with lots of
tension, only enough to keep 'em taut) leaders and lines uncoiled.
Also, a hook or two in the back of a large piece of furniture will allow
storage of lines in large coils without them getting in the way. At the
very least, get a few line reels (not fishing reels - these are large
plastic "spools") and use them. If you must store "coiled," the larger
the coil, the less problems you'll have.

- Dave K.
(the very foolish guy who started the "coiled leader thing" in his
newbie post) Nothing is simple on ROFF

Oh, I don't know...it's all pretty simple...unless you try and make it
difficult for yourself...buy hey, YMMV...

TC,
R

You know what Mr.LaCourse is going to say about this don´t you Dickie
boy? How are you going to carry that room to the stream?

Nobody is going to nail leaders to the wall Dickie boy. it is much
simpler to drop them in hot water, and then hold them straight while
they cool.

While it is true that nylon absorbs sone water, and this does affect
its wet breaking strain negatively, this is also temperature
dependent, and when the leader returns to normal temperatures, or is
"dried", it returns to normal.

Nylon fishing line is made (surprise surprise!) for use in water, it
always absorbs some water in use, and it always loses some strength as
a result.

Unless you use nylon leaders for fishing in boiling water, there is no
problem Dickie boy, and even the it would merely result in a slightly
lesser breaking strain of the nylon concerned.

MC

wrote in message
...

...NW2: It'll absorb too much water and it'll probably ruin it. If it
won't straighten out with a light run through the fingers and a light
stretch, there's something else going on....

One of the great ironies in life......habitual liars tend not to become good
liars.

Wolfgang
there's always a tell.

On 14 Nov, 21:32, wrote:
Just to confirm what I wrote and was willing to bet big was the correct
info, I called a couple of folks at a couple of line companies. Granted,
they probably aren't as knowledgeable about line and leaders and Mike,
Borked, and other assorted sockpuppets, but IAC...

The first call, to what is, IMO, the premiere mono and braided line
company on the planet, went something like this:

Me: Hey, name withheld to protect the innocent...well, he's not
innocent, but he hasn't committed any crimes in this jurisdiction...,
what's up?

NW: Not much. Howsaboutya?

Me: Oh, just bein' my normal self...

NW: Oh, ****...any survivors?

Me: You're a real funny man...anyway, smart ass, I have a quick question
for ya.

NW: OK...

Me: What about boiling mono?

NW: Wha...?

Me: To straighten it out

NW: Wha...?

Me: (Generally explain the situation)

NW: What brand is it?

Me: That matters?

NW: Sure, if it's their biggest competitor, boil the **** out of
it...

Me: Wha...?

NW: And when they have to replace it, tell 'em to buy ours...and don't
boil it...

And the second conversation was with someone at, ahem, RIO (but the name
of the individual withheld for the same reason) and went something like
this:

Me: (Generally explain the situation)

NW2: I wouldn't recommend it.

Me: Why?

NW2: It'll absorb too much water and it'll probably ruin it. If it
won't straighten out with a light run through the fingers and a light
stretch, there's something else going on.

Me: What about just pouring real hot water over it?

NW2: Nope, I wouldn't recommend that, either.

Me: Any suggestions?

NW2: A new leader...

HTH,
R

Oh and by the way Dickie boy, I don´t bet, I have the correct info
before I post it.

MC

It's a rainy, dreary day here in SE PA, so no trouting for me. But
the 2 threads (pun) on leader boiling provided me some jollies.

I don't want to add fuel to the fire (not taking sides on boiling
water for leaders, tea or underwear - Fruite de la Loome?), but I
wanted to add some technical information gleaned from 4 semi-fun years
at a technical institution in New England and that many decades at the
company that invented nylon and a few other miracles of science.

There's plenty of room for members having a variety of experiences,
since there are a lot more just one nylon. There are also
copolymers. I've also run into tippets that had a coating over a
core. We'll save discussion on fluorocarbons for another time/

The members seem to have good knowledge about melting points. But
thermoplastics, including nylon, have another yet undiscussed
characteristic: the second order thermodynamic property, glass
transition temperature. This is the point below which polymers act
like a glass and above which they become rubbery.

Other distinguishing factors with nylon (besides the obvious ones of
composition) are molecular weight, MW distribution, cross linking
density (if any), thermal history - such as with dyeing, dynamic
history - how stretched it was as it was spun and drawn, inherent
moisture content.

Nylons don't oxidize as readily as some other polymers, but they are
subject to degradation. High energy EMF (Gamma irradiates their
tippet and tennis string) and UV light, as well as free radical attack
will change the tippet properties (possibly for the better). Over
time, low molecular, lightly bound entities which might function as
plasticizers will be fugititve, and you might find your tippet getting
stiffer and less elastic (not the same things) with age.

One parting thought - those of you boiling eggs or leaders at high
altitudes will find your temperatures slightly different. It makes a
difference for me with soft boiled eggs and tea - dunno yet about
leaders.

tl
les

On 19 Nov, 16:31, lestrout wrote:

One parting thought - those of you boiling eggs or leaders at high
altitudes will find your temperatures slightly different. It makes a
difference for me with soft boiled eggs and tea - dunno yet about
leaders.

tl
les

Those things were actually pointed out, and a link given to general
thermoplastic properties.

Tea tastes funny way up in the Swiss Alps, don´t know about boiled
eggs, didn´t try any while I was there.

TL
MC