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Jeff wrote:
I met him once, at the henrys fork gathering... it was a few years after
some of the bizarre writings and the bamboo rod adventures. In my
presence, and amidst a large group of us, he was kind, gracious,
generous, and witty. I watched him with Warren's daughter, who was
probably 4 or 5 at the time. She adored George. She was very happy and
comfortable with him and being held by him. He likewise treated her in
the same manner a good grandpa treats his grandchild...tenderly,
affectionately, humorously, attentively, and with obvious heartfelt joy.
They each had big grins. I'm sorry I didn't get to spend more time
around him. I think there was much more that was positive and worth
knowing about him than the stuff this place revealed. I have one of his
early ******* bamboo rods...i'm glad to own it, and it has pleasant
memories attached.

jeff


I fished with George a couple times during that Clave and spent a bit of
time with him and his wife at their camper. He was more than kind to me
(and was a damned good fisherman).

This will probably stir some wise crack from someone, but this is the
image that comes to mind when I think about George at that Clave. If I
remember right, Danl came up with the beer.

http://www.crystalglen.net/Fishing/George.htm

Willi

I met George twice (and Gladys once), but I mainly recall him from
Henry's Fork one magical September. Warren's precious daughter, Jody,
was in love with him. You can't fake that.

George had health problems that caused him to overreact on ROFF. I'm
sure he has some personality problems as well -- don't we all. I wish
I'd gotten to know him better. I never fished with him, but I'll take
Willi's word for it.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 17:46:47 -0700, Willi
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Jeff wrote:
I met him once, at the henrys fork gathering... it was a few years after
some of the bizarre writings and the bamboo rod adventures. In my
presence, and amidst a large group of us, he was kind, gracious,
generous, and witty. I watched him with Warren's daughter, who was
probably 4 or 5 at the time. She adored George. She was very happy and
comfortable with him and being held by him. He likewise treated her in
the same manner a good grandpa treats his grandchild...tenderly,
affectionately, humorously, attentively, and with obvious heartfelt joy.
They each had big grins. I'm sorry I didn't get to spend more time
around him. I think there was much more that was positive and worth
knowing about him than the stuff this place revealed. I have one of his
early ******* bamboo rods...i'm glad to own it, and it has pleasant
memories attached.

jeff


I fished with George a couple times during that Clave and spent a bit of
time with him and his wife at their camper. He was more than kind to me
(and was a damned good fisherman).

This will probably stir some wise crack from someone, but this is the
image that comes to mind when I think about George at that Clave. If I
remember right, Danl came up with the beer.

http://www.crystalglen.net/Fishing/George.htm

Willi

George was sick, not only physically, but I believe he was bi-polar
too. He had accused me (and Dave Tatosian) of all sorts of wrong
doings. He gave me my roff name, Pirate. Of course he meant it in a
derogatory way, but it turned out to be a positive thing.

When I confronted George at the Henry's Fork Clave, he cried and was
very apologetic of the way he had treated me. I too apologized to
him, and we parted friends.

I told Willi and others that George did not look good. The color of
his skin was not healthy looking. He died within three months of the
clave. I'm happy that I made my peace with George.

The Pirate

"Willi" wrote in message
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I fished with George a couple times during that Clave and spent a bit of
time with him and his wife at their camper. He was more than kind to me
(and was a damned good fisherman).

This will probably stir some wise crack from someone, but this is the
image that comes to mind when I think about George at that Clave. If I
remember right, Danl came up with the beer.

http://www.crystalglen.net/Fishing/George.htm

Willi


I like that picture too. "Arrogant *******" is one of the ales from a local
(now going national) brewery called Stone Brewing. I would recommend any and
all of their ales, btw.

George was another example of the " not the same in person as they are on
the ng" phenomenon. I don't believe a single person who was at the Henry's
Fork Clave had a bad experience with George while at the clave. Whether or
not his on-line personality was influenced by bad health, I still believe
the relative safety (not sure that's the right word, but its close) of
sitting at one's keyboard causes one to post things that they would not say
in person.

I think another factor which comes into play is that at a clave, or other
meeting of roffians, if someone does or says something that might offend you
a little, if you hesitate to call attention to the offence the moment passes
and, even if it bugs you a little, it is more difficult to open the matter
later. The same is true of witty retorts and barbs; in person, if you don't
have a snappy comeback immediately at hand, within seconds the moment passes
and can't be adequately reconstructed such as to deliver said retort with
any appreciable impact. On line, however, minutes, hours or even days can
pass while one thinks of a response. Such is the nature of a thread's
lifespan vs. the usually much shorter lifespan of face to face conversation.
Yet another factor is the "all inclusive" conversation that is the ng. Here
everyone who reads the ng is part of every conversation. In person, i.e. at
a clave, one can only participate in a very few (for me, one) conversations
at one time. I think that most folks, given a choice of several
conversations in which to participate, will choose to converse on a subject
and with people that they like and therefore, don't have time to get
involved with the petty spats that make up a lot of the posts here.

Yet another contributor is the tendency for people to not engage other
people when one doesn't feel well, had a bad day, drank too much, etc..vs.
this online set of conversations that are always here and it doesn't take
much effort to interact here, no matter how bad you feel, how angry you
already are, or how much you've had to drink.... not that I've ever done
anything like that....



Danl

On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 08:37:30 -0800, "Skwala"
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"Mu Young Lee" wrote in message
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On Wed, 25 Jan 2006, Bill Kiene wrote:

http://www.courttv.com/news/2006/011..._suit_ctv.html

Wow, shades of Gink.

Mu

Although he frightened me at times... deep down, I had the impression that
George was a really kind soul.

Strange, I felt the other way about him. I felt his vicious nature
and his attempts to be nasty were the much more real side of him.
Though I didn't find him frightening. He was too small for that.

Obviously he could be charming in person. So could Ted Bundy and many
others who weren't what their outer persona showed. Not that I put
whatsit up there with the dangers of life, but I've known some like
that. They tend to make life hell for their families.

A little crazy perhaps, but you can't say he wasn't enertaining..

Depends on your idea of entertainment.

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On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 08:37:30 -0800, "Skwala"
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"Mu Young Lee" wrote in message
pcc.itd.umich.edu...
On Wed, 25 Jan 2006, Bill Kiene wrote:

http://www.courttv.com/news/2006/011..._suit_ctv.html

Wow, shades of Gink.

Mu

Although he frightened me at times... deep down, I had the impression that
George was a really kind soul.

Strange, I felt the other way about him. I felt his vicious nature
and his attempts to be nasty were the much more real side of him.
Though I didn't find him frightening. He was too small for that.

Obviously he could be charming in person. So could Ted Bundy and many
others who weren't what their outer persona showed. Not that I put
whatsit up there with the dangers of life, but I've known some like
that. They tend to make life hell for their families.

I tend more toward your view than Jeff's. But then, I never actually met
the man.

A little crazy perhaps, but you can't say he wasn't enertaining..
Depends on your idea of entertainment.

Friend Skwala's opinion.....whatever it might be.....and on whatever
topic.....can safely be ignored. It isn't a person, after all.

Anyway, Shakespeare would have loved this place.

And so would Dante:

http://www.4degreez.com/misc/dante-inferno-test.mv

Wolfgang
second level resident.

Wolfgang wrote:
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On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 08:37:30 -0800, "Skwala"
wrote:


"Mu Young Lee" wrote in message
c.itd.umich.edu...
On Wed, 25 Jan 2006, Bill Kiene wrote:

http://www.courttv.com/news/2006/011..._suit_ctv.html

Wow, shades of Gink.

Mu

Although he frightened me at times... deep down, I had the
impression that George was a really kind soul.

Strange, I felt the other way about him. I felt his vicious nature
and his attempts to be nasty were the much more real side of him.
Though I didn't find him frightening. He was too small for that.

Obviously he could be charming in person. So could Ted Bundy and
many others who weren't what their outer persona showed. Not that I
put whatsit up there with the dangers of life, but I've known some
like that. They tend to make life hell for their families.

I tend more toward your view than Jeff's. But then, I never actually
met the man.

A little crazy perhaps, but you can't say he wasn't enertaining..
Depends on your idea of entertainment.

Friend Skwala's opinion.....whatever it might be.....and on whatever
topic.....can safely be ignored. It isn't a person, after all.

Anyway, Shakespeare would have loved this place.

And so would Dante:

http://www.4degreez.com/misc/dante-inferno-test.mv

Wolfgang
second level resident.

Limbo. How bland!
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TL,
Tim
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http://css.sbcma.com/timj/

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On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 08:37:30 -0800, "Skwala"
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Strange, I felt the other way about him. I felt his vicious nature
and his attempts to be nasty were the much more real side of him.
I based my opinion on both my limited dealings with him, and the fact that
several "Big Names" would always stay out at his place, when ever the came
to that corner of Montana.


Though I didn't find him frightening. He was too small for that.
He did have flaws, though... When I said frightened I was referring two
incidents where I wondered if I was going to have to defend myself...

He had a certain unpredictability... I had two discussions with him, that
started out normally, but ended with George looming over a table, slamming
his open palm down, and screaming out some minor point about the subject of
the discussion. (too much fat in the American diet was one subject, the
other was equally bland).


Obviously he could be charming in person. So could Ted Bundy and many
others who weren't what their outer persona showed. Not that I put
whatsit up there with the dangers of life, but I've known some like
that. They tend to make life hell for their families.

A little crazy perhaps, but you can't say he wasn't enertaining..

Depends on your idea of entertainment.

Complex, a little good, and a little not good... I guess he was someone you
either liked or hated...

"Skwala" wrote in message ...

... I guess he was someone you either liked or hated...

Profoundly insightful.

Wolfgang
who didn't like george.....or hate him.