IMO, the final words on hot or boiling water and mono...

Just to confirm what I wrote and was willing to bet big was the correct
info, I called a couple of folks at a couple of line companies. Granted,
they probably aren't as knowledgeable about line and leaders and Mike,
Borked, and other assorted sockpuppets, but IAC...

The first call, to what is, IMO, the premiere mono and braided line
company on the planet, went something like this:

Me: Hey, name withheld to protect the innocent...well, he's not
innocent, but he hasn't committed any crimes in this jurisdiction...,
what's up?

NW: Not much. Howsaboutya?

Me: Oh, just bein' my normal self...

NW: Oh, ****...any survivors?

Me: You're a real funny man...anyway, smart ass, I have a quick question
for ya.

NW: OK...

Me: What about boiling mono?

NW: Wha...?

Me: To straighten it out

NW: Wha...?

Me: (Generally explain the situation)

NW: What brand is it?

Me: That matters?

NW: Sure, if it's their biggest competitor, boil the **** out of
it...

Me: Wha...?

NW: And when they have to replace it, tell 'em to buy ours...and don't
boil it...

And the second conversation was with someone at, ahem, RIO (but the name
of the individual withheld for the same reason) and went something like
this:

Me: (Generally explain the situation)

NW2: I wouldn't recommend it.

Me: Why?

NW2: It'll absorb too much water and it'll probably ruin it. If it
won't straighten out with a light run through the fingers and a light
stretch, there's something else going on.

Me: What about just pouring real hot water over it?

NW2: Nope, I wouldn't recommend that, either.

Me: Any suggestions?

NW2: A new leader...

HTH,
R

wrote:


HTH,
R


Juts as well you don´t have the final words on anything.


http://www.prochemical.com/direction...rsionNylon.htm

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...05d5b7a2ac7ffe

How do you think they dye nylon Dickie boy?

Doubtful that you talked to anybody at RIO, I know a couple of people
there, and at several other firms as well. They would not waste their
time on a dumbass like you.

MC

On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 21:48:42 +0100, MC wrote:

wrote:


HTH,
R


Juts as well you don´t have the final words on anything.


http://www.prochemical.com/direction...rsionNylon.htm

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...05d5b7a2ac7ffe

How do you think they dye nylon Dickie boy?

Doubtful that you talked to anybody at RIO, I know a couple of people
there, and at several other firms as well. They would not waste their
time on a dumbass like you.

MC


Call #2 to RIO:

This time, I called the main phone number, as anyone is certainly free
to do (208-524-7760) and asked for tech services. I didn't ask for
anyone in particular - I got whoever I got by the same process anyone
who calls gets someone. I generally explained the situation and asked
about boiling leaders. The _exact_ quote: "Aaah...they should
straighten out by hand easily enough..." So I persist in attempting to
get a direct answer about boiling them. "Well, like I said, they should
straighten out by hand..." A crafty devil, this guy, so I persist.
According to the tech support person at RIO: "No, you shouldn't boil
them." "How about hot water?," I ask. "It's not recommended," but if
you insist, "make sure the water isn't above about 120 degrees" (since
he is in Idaho, I think the assumption that he meant Fahrenheit is a
safe one) and "definitely not on the tippet terminal end," but again,
"it's not recommended."

So I'm curious: what did the people you know at RIO say when you called
and asked them if they were OK with such a widely-read and influential
flyfishing expert as yourself recommending hither and yon that folks
boil their leaders and that it would do them no harm to boil them for
hours?

Dickie boy

wrote:

On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 21:48:42 +0100, MC wrote:

wrote:


HTH,
R


Juts as well you don�t have the final words on anything.


http://www.prochemical.com/direction...rsionNylon.htm

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...05d5b7a2ac7ffe

How do you think they dye nylon Dickie boy?

Doubtful that you talked to anybody at RIO, I know a couple of people
there, and at several other firms as well. They would not waste their
time on a dumbass like you.

MC


Call #2 to RIO:

This time, I called the main phone number, as anyone is certainly free
to do (208-524-7760) and asked for tech services. I didn't ask for
anyone in particular - I got whoever I got by the same process anyone
who calls gets someone. I generally explained the situation and asked
about boiling leaders. The _exact_ quote: "Aaah...they should
straighten out by hand easily enough..." So I persist in attempting to
get a direct answer about boiling them. "Well, like I said, they should
straighten out by hand..." A crafty devil, this guy, so I persist.
According to the tech support person at RIO: "No, you shouldn't boil
them." "How about hot water?," I ask. "It's not recommended," but if
you insist, "make sure the water isn't above about 120 degrees" (since
he is in Idaho, I think the assumption that he meant Fahrenheit is a
safe one) and "definitely not on the tippet terminal end," but again,
"it's not recommended."

So I'm curious: what did the people you know at RIO say when you called
and asked them if they were OK with such a widely-read and influential
flyfishing expert as yourself recommending hither and yon that folks
boil their leaders and that it would do them no harm to boil them for
hours?

Dickie boy

Well now Dickie boy, I did not recommend that folks boil their
leaders. If you want information on nylon monofilament, then look it
up;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nylon

I do recommend most strongly that you go and boil your head.

MC

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermoplastic

MC

On Nov 14, 10:26 pm, wrote:
On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 21:48:42 +0100, MC wrote:
wrote:

HTH,
R

Juts as well you don´t have the final words on anything.

http://www.prochemical.com/direction...rsionNylon.htm

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...i=B6TFY-4KFMMC....

How do you think they dye nylon Dickie boy?

Doubtful that you talked to anybody at RIO, I know a couple of people
there, and at several other firms as well. They would not waste their
time on a dumbass like you.

MC

Call #2 to RIO:

This time, I called the main phone number, as anyone is certainly free
to do (208-524-7760) and asked for tech services. I didn't ask for
anyone in particular - I got whoever I got by the same process anyone
who calls gets someone. I generally explained the situation and asked
about boiling leaders. The _exact_ quote: "Aaah...they should
straighten out by hand easily enough..." So I persist in attempting to
get a direct answer about boiling them. "Well, like I said, they should
straighten out by hand..." A crafty devil, this guy, so I persist.
According to the tech support person at RIO: "No, you shouldn't boil
them." "How about hot water?," I ask. "It's not recommended," but if
you insist, "make sure the water isn't above about 120 degrees" (since
he is in Idaho, I think the assumption that he meant Fahrenheit is a
safe one) and "definitely not on the tippet terminal end," but again,
"it's not recommended."

So I'm curious: what did the people you know at RIO say when you called
and asked them if they were OK with such a widely-read and influential
flyfishing expert as yourself recommending hither and yon that folks
boil their leaders and that it would do them no harm to boil them for
hours?

Dickie boy

One of us should call back and ask about the technique that Tom's
friend uses (the "leader through the underwear thing"). Ask them if
that is better than boiling :-)

- Dave K.
(the very foolish guy who started the "coiled leader thing" in his
newbie post) Nothing is simple on ROFF

"mdk77" wrote in message
...

...Nothing is simple on ROFF

Heh, heh, heh.

Wolfgang
hell, nobody even got around to suggesting that the leaders should be boiled
while IN the underwear.......yet.

On Nov 15, 1:57 pm, "Wolfgang" wrote:
"mdk77" wrote in message

...

...Nothing is simple on ROFF

Heh, heh, heh.

Wolfgang
hell, nobody even got around to suggesting that the leaders should be boiled
while IN the underwear.......yet.

Or with the boiled turkey giblets either.....the poor guy answering
the phone at Rio probably thinks we're a dangerous and crazed fly-
fishing cult already. The giblets & underwear thing would REALLY
frighten him.

- Dave K.

mdk77 wrote:
) Nothing is simple on ROFF

Au contraire mon frere de la Peche truites, some people on ROFF are
pretty simple!

TL
MC

On Thu, 15 Nov 2007 11:52:10 -0800 (PST), mdk77
wrote:

On Nov 14, 10:26 pm, wrote:
On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 21:48:42 +0100, MC wrote:
wrote:

HTH,
R

Juts as well you don´t have the final words on anything.

http://www.prochemical.com/direction...rsionNylon.htm

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...i=B6TFY-4KFMMC...

How do you think they dye nylon Dickie boy?

Doubtful that you talked to anybody at RIO, I know a couple of people
there, and at several other firms as well. They would not waste their
time on a dumbass like you.

MC

Call #2 to RIO:

This time, I called the main phone number, as anyone is certainly free
to do (208-524-7760) and asked for tech services. I didn't ask for
anyone in particular - I got whoever I got by the same process anyone
who calls gets someone. I generally explained the situation and asked
about boiling leaders. The _exact_ quote: "Aaah...they should
straighten out by hand easily enough..." So I persist in attempting to
get a direct answer about boiling them. "Well, like I said, they should
straighten out by hand..." A crafty devil, this guy, so I persist.
According to the tech support person at RIO: "No, you shouldn't boil
them." "How about hot water?," I ask. "It's not recommended," but if
you insist, "make sure the water isn't above about 120 degrees" (since
he is in Idaho, I think the assumption that he meant Fahrenheit is a
safe one) and "definitely not on the tippet terminal end," but again,
"it's not recommended."

So I'm curious: what did the people you know at RIO say when you called
and asked them if they were OK with such a widely-read and influential
flyfishing expert as yourself recommending hither and yon that folks
boil their leaders and that it would do them no harm to boil them for
hours?

Dickie boy

One of us should call back and ask about the technique that Tom's
friend uses (the "leader through the underwear thing"). Ask them if
that is better than boiling :-)

Funny...funny...but actually, it would be...well, depending on how
sweaty ya are...again, it's not the heat, at least as far as "hot water"
is concerned, it's the moisture and the increase in absorption...

I don't know how long you've been around, but I've suggested this a few
times over the years - if you have a room that you can use for this, put
a small nail or picture hanger hook in each corner and use rubber bands
and small stainless or plated hooks to "stretch" (not with lots of
tension, only enough to keep 'em taut) leaders and lines uncoiled.
Also, a hook or two in the back of a large piece of furniture will allow
storage of lines in large coils without them getting in the way. At the
very least, get a few line reels (not fishing reels - these are large
plastic "spools") and use them. If you must store "coiled," the larger
the coil, the less problems you'll have.

- Dave K.
(the very foolish guy who started the "coiled leader thing" in his
newbie post) Nothing is simple on ROFF

Oh, I don't know...it's all pretty simple...unless you try and make it
difficult for yourself...buy hey, YMMV...

TC,
R