Fishing for stocked fish.

I also have plenty of paper sonny, but why should I bother wasting my
time citing it, as you and others would merely ridicule it.

http://www.panda.org/about_wwf/what_...tion/index.cfm

http://www.ingentaconnect.com/conten...00011/art00032

http://www.albany.edu/ihe/salmonstudy/faqs.html

http://www.advancedbionutrition.com/..._fishmeal.html

Make sure you eat plenty of farmed fish sonny, maybe you could send
Fortenberry and LaCourse some as well? maybe slather it in your
sauce?

MC

http://ec.europa.eu/dgs/health_consu...eech77_en.html

http://www.woodcocksmokery.com/about/wildvsfarmed

http://extension.osu.edu/~news/story.php?id=2792

http://www.fao.org/docrep/meeting/004/y6127E.htm

http://209.85.135.104/search?q=cache...nk&cd=18&gl=uk


Just some more reading for you sonny.

MC

On Sun, 16 Sep 2007 20:14:20 -0700, Mike
wrote:

On 17 Sep, 05:04, wrote:

Seems you did some research.

Ya think? And might you guess that someone with a coupla-three books
that cost nearly $1000USD, readily at hand, would have at least some
info on the subject?

Makes no difference, the wild protein to
fishmeal conversion ratio is the same, regardless of the percentage of
the fishmeal in the feed, and the various feed percentages are taken
into account when calculating THE AMOUNT OF FISHMEAL required to
achieve a certain poundage of farmed fish, this is regardless of the
rest of the feed involved.

And the amount of fish (wet pounds) going into a wet pound of "finished
product" is dropping dramatically, which you might know if you had done
more than skim Google links. It has dropped from about 3 lbs. just 3-4
years ago to close to 1.5 lbs now and is on its way to about 1 lb. by
2010. And with mad cow, the agriculture protein is consuming more of
the fishmeal via feed than the aquaculture - IOW, basically, EU cows are
eating more fish than the fish...

If you had been somewhat more thorough, you would have discovered
that, and also that one can not grow on farmed salmonids without the
fish meal. The lipids in meal or oil additives are essential.

Yes, one can, and no, they aren't. But either way, fish meal isn't a
poison in and of itself, and not all fish meal has elevated levels of
PCB, dioxin, etc. IAC, various veg oils can be and are used, as is other
sources of protein.

So **** you as well sonny boy.

Hee-hee-hee,
R



MC

One final point sonny boy, the only way many salmon and trout farmers
could meet regulations for their toxic fish, was by cutting off all
the fatty parts and selling the rest. The removed parts were supposed
to be dumped as toxic waste, but a few farmers were found feeding this
back to the fish.

There are still only a couple of extremely expensive solutions for
replacing fishmeal in salmonid diets, and none of them is available on
the massive scale required.

MC

On 17 Sep, 05:45, wrote:
- IOW, basically, EU cows are
eating more fish than the fish...


R



MC

Fishmeal is banned in the EU for agricultural feed sonny boy.

MC

Fishmeal is banned in the EU for agricultural feed sonny boy.

MC

Since 2001, it has been illegal to feed fishmeal to ruminants.
Although there have been several very strong moves to lift the ban, up
to now, good sense has prevailed.

MC

On 17 Sep, 06:10, Mike wrote:
Fishmeal is banned in the EU for agricultural feed sonny boy.

MC

Since 2001, it has been illegal to feed fishmeal to ruminants.
Although there have been several very strong moves to lift the ban, up
to now, good sense has prevailed.

MC

Maybe you need some new books?

MC

Several of your other statements were false as well, but that does not
surprise me. I didn´t expect anything else. I am certainly not going
to waste any of my time pointing them out to you.

If anybody else posts, I might answer, but you, Fortenberry, and
Lacourse are now killfiled. The firstt time in my life I have ever
used one.

MC

On Sun, 16 Sep 2007 20:56:35 -0700, Mike
wrote:

On 17 Sep, 05:45, wrote:
- IOW, basically, EU cows are
eating more fish than the fish...


R



MC

Fishmeal is banned in the EU for agricultural feed sonny boy.

No, it isn't. It is banned from usage as feed to mature ruminants whose
products are destined for human consumption and as such, my offhand use
of "cows" was improper. But my preceding comment, which you snipped,
was correct - more fish meal consumption in the EU is by agriculture
protein rather than aqua - so, OK: EU hogs, chickens, non-ruminants are
eating more fish meal than then the fish.

And the reason the fish meal was banned had nothing to do with the fish
- it was animal protein that was banned, and IIRC, fish meal was banned
in various "steps" rather than the immediate, absolute ban of other
animal protein. And many seem to think the ban on fish meal was a
pretty poor overreaction as the "mad cow" the ban was intended to stop
wasn't transmitted by the fish meal. I've even heard there is some talk
about repealing the fish meal ban altogether, at least as far as
non-imported sources is concerned.

HTH,
R

Some more reading for those who might be interested;

http://www.salmonfarmmonitor.org/guestoctober2004.shtml

http://www.nerc.ac.uk/publications/p...03-vegfish.pdf

http://www.robedwards.com/2002/07/study_proves_ca.html

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/foodm...951686,00.html

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/foo...rition/NU00292

http://www.medicinenet.com/script/ma...ticlekey=56763

http://aqua.ucdavis.edu/dbweb/outreach/aqua/223FS.PDF

http://www.aquaculturecouncilwa.com/species/trout/diet

There are a lot more, but I don´t suppose many of you will read
them.

MC