First the Coho, now Apache and Gila

On 5/25/05 9:36 AM, in article , "Jonathan Cook"
wrote:

BTW, you should be hitting the Lake Erie tribs for lake-run
smallmouth. It might be getting too late by now. I'll bet Rocky
River gets a good run (iirc that's what you're close to). My
Dad caught a 3lb smallie a few days ago along the lake shore.

I would, but my next available free time is gonna be taken up with a trip to
the Nittany Mountains to fish with a rag tag bunch o' dogmatic fear
mongerers. On my own dime, of course. :-)


Bill

"Tim J." wrote in
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Can I get me one o' them hats? [sic]

. . . and when do I get my guided trip on the Batten Kill? ;-)

How's the weekend after this one? I don't need to be the xth person to
mention how crappy the weather has been here (though that won't stop
me). There are times when the river is alive with bug activity and
plenty of heads up. I'd wager that this year on early June being
optimal for dry fly fishing ... I am also watching the flats for the
big stripers. A fisherman neighbor of ours on the Cape says the squid
fishing is phenomenal -- a really good sign that the big stripers will
be in to feast. Should bode very well for inshore boat fisherman
('tripper?). I have skipped the schoolie-fest in anticipation for good
flats fishing for keepers+.

Conan The Librarian wrote in news:d71tpi$d1kl$1
@news.swt.edu:

But fear sells. Hell, it's been the major thrust of most
presidential campaigns that I've witnessed firsthand.

It's interesting that in the recent UK election the reverse was true.
Terrorism was 14/15 in voters' priorities. Howeever it was still a
forgettable opposition that ensured Phony Tony, the Vicar of St Albion,
got back in.

(Jonathan Cook) wrote in
:

Hey, my server is on a roll...or maybe it just filters out 40...

Scott Seidman wrote:
(Jonathan Cook) wrote in news:d71v04$jhq$1
@bubba.nmsu.edu:

So why should millions of
dollars be spent on a whim of one or two scientists deciding a
subgroup is important, without going through a peer-reviewed
process?

And why should a threathened subgroup face increased pressure without
the same peer-reviewed process?

No, this is a logical fallacy, I'm sure there's a name for it but
all I know is this is equivalent to asserting something and then when
challenged saying "well prove me wrong". It's up to the asserter to
back up their statement.


I see what you're saying, but I would think that any big project likely to
hurt any animal population, threatened or not, particularly on a freshwater
stream, would have to come up with some sort of environmental impact
statement at some point. Thus, it is subject to review. Often, public
input is sought in such cases, and is sometimes required.

Now, with respect to "two or three scientists" making a decision, keep in
mind that published work is peer reviewed. Of course, a reviewer may
disagree with any paper, even one that gets recommended for publication,
but usually the review process results in substantial representation of
contrary opinions in any given paper. Published work should not be tossed
out of consideration willy nilly.

Scott

GaryM wrote:
"Tim J." wrote in
:

Can I get me one o' them hats? [sic]

. . . and when do I get my guided trip on the Batten Kill? ;-)

How's the weekend after this one?

Wait - let me weigh the options: no fishing or spouse induced pain, no
fishing or spouse induced pain. . . think I'll go with the no fishing
option (that's my 30th wedding anniversary weekend.)

I'll take this to email (as opposed to the NC Ping System) so we can
hopefully work out something.
--
TL,
Tim
------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj

wrote:

Let's answer that question with another question:

Do you have any knowledge, save the NY Times article, about Drew Hall or
this memo?

Only what you wrote in your previous post. (And it's *Dale* Hall.)

But this certainly makes me want to find out more about the man.

and another:

Do you have any knowledge, save the NY Times article, about Drew Hall or
this memo, that indicates that the memo actually requires anyone,
scientists or even sensible people, to do any ignoring of anything, or
even that it requires anyone to do anything specific?

Did you even read the article? Or are you just assuming that
because it was written by a "left-leaning rag" that it is automatically
biased?


Chuck Vance

On Wed, 25 May 2005 10:51:32 -0500, wrote:

...Drew Hall...
...Drew Hall...

That should be _Dale_ Hall

R

On Wed, 25 May 2005 13:24:30 -0500, Conan The Librarian
wrote:

wrote:

Let's answer that question with another question:

Do you have any knowledge, save the NY Times article, about Drew Hall or
this memo?

Only what you wrote in your previous post. (And it's *Dale* Hall.)

So, you assume it's true (or at least accurately informative) because
it's the NYT? (And I corrected the name error, but thanks.)

But this certainly makes me want to find out more about the man.

I'd suggest doing not only that, but on the situation itself, before
forming any opinions of the NYT article.

and another:

Do you have any knowledge, save the NY Times article, about Drew Hall or
this memo, that indicates that the memo actually requires anyone,
scientists or even sensible people, to do any ignoring of anything, or
even that it requires anyone to do anything specific?

Did you even read the article?

Yes.

Or are you just assuming that because it was written by a "left-leaning rag" that
it is automatically biased?

The NYT isn't a "rag," but generally, much of its personnel tend toward
a (personal) left leaning that is often reflected in reporting biased in
that direction. Sure, it often takes itself and its importance a wee
bit too seriously, but fair's fair and it is an important newspaper
(...heck, think of the fish that would go unwrapped...). This story is
an example of that left slant. And while you're learning about the
story and the players, you might want to get a little background on
"Fallacy" Barringer, too - if for no other reason than for humor's sake
- try searching using her name and "matt drudge," "liz smith," and
"harpers sirica" (three separate searches).

And wayno, if you're reading this and seek any info on ol' Felicity,
turn off the graphics beforehand - if Greta Van Susteren turns your
stomach, Ms. Barringer will do things to you a 55-gallon drum of the
lil' blue wonders can't fix...

TC,
R

"GaryM" wrote in message
. 1.81...
....beating him would mean challening his assertions that we are
under attack and that Islamic terrorism is a grave, real and immediate
threat. Who could really make that claim?

Hm......well, I suppose I could give it a shot.

Wolfgang

wrote in message
...

...What _specifically_ is wrong with opposing the broadbrush approach of
including every subspecies, without regard to viability, etc. of that
subspecies, of a protected species to be lumped in with the species
defined and protected at time that species was declared endangered?

The fight to preserve something resembling biodiversity on Earth is a
rear-guard action. We're going to lose millions of species in the next
century regardless. With pigs like you on the planet every effort that
MIGHT result in saving a single species is worth the trouble.

Wolfgang
wondering how long dicklet's most recent anastasia will last.