Have I really been suspended??????

I received the following today from an angling club that I may or may
not now be a member of.

Have I been suspended???

Thanks.
______________________________

Dear Mr XXXXX

Your recent refusal to contact the acting secretary by phone regarding
several emails and internet posts, was brought to the attention of the
Committee at their most recent meeting.

After viewing several examples the Committee has decided to suspend
your membership until further notice, any application for the 2010
season will be refused.

The Committee believe that you have been given ample opportunity to
make direct contact in order to explain your behaviour, but you have
chosen to decline the offer.

With this in mind the committee do not feel that any further
opportunity should be extended.

If you have any questions regarding this letter, please contact Mr
Chairman on 078********

Regards

Mr Bloggs
Acting Secretary of the Association
()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()() ()()()()())()()()

This letter merely informs me that a meeting (that I wasn't
invited to) discussed my "refusal" to phone the Acting Secretary.

At no point was I instructed by ANYONE to call the Acting Secretary,
so I do not see how refusing to do what I wasn't instructed to do
could be grounds for suspension.

Additionally, at no time have I been asked to "explain my behaviour".

The letter does not tell me what authority they have to suspend my
membership.

The letter does not tell me anything about a refund of my fees.

The letter does not tell me who the members of this committee are.

The letter does not tell me about any route to appeal the decision.

The letter does not have a return address.

The letter, quite frankly, is an abomination and typical of the
secrecy that is rotting the club from the top down.

Have I really been suspended??????



Thanks

a_non_the_mouse wrote:
I received the following today from an angling club that I may or may
not now be a member of.

Have I been suspended???

Thanks.

It looks like it. Whether they can lawfully do this, however, depends on
their membership conditions and whether their disciplinary procedures allow
them to do this. My guess is that they probably do, because there is ample
caselaw on the wording and structure of such expulsion processes, but it's
impossible to say without looking at the conditions. Even if they've got it
wrong, your chances of getting damages are limited, and you probably
wouldn't want to rejoin a club that had expelled you illegally. I'd find
another angling club, if I were you.

______________________________

Dear Mr XXXXX

Your recent refusal to contact the acting secretary by phone regarding
several emails and internet posts, was brought to the attention of the
Committee at their most recent meeting.

After viewing several examples the Committee has decided to suspend
your membership until further notice, any application for the 2010
season will be refused.

The Committee believe that you have been given ample opportunity to
make direct contact in order to explain your behaviour, but you have
chosen to decline the offer.

With this in mind the committee do not feel that any further
opportunity should be extended.

If you have any questions regarding this letter, please contact Mr
Chairman on 078********

Regards

Mr Bloggs
Acting Secretary of the Association
()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()() ()()()()())()()()

This letter merely informs me that a meeting (that I wasn't
invited to) discussed my "refusal" to phone the Acting Secretary.

At no point was I instructed by ANYONE to call the Acting Secretary,
so I do not see how refusing to do what I wasn't instructed to do
could be grounds for suspension.

Additionally, at no time have I been asked to "explain my behaviour".

The letter does not tell me what authority they have to suspend my
membership.

The letter does not tell me anything about a refund of my fees.

The letter does not tell me who the members of this committee are.

The letter does not tell me about any route to appeal the decision.

The letter does not have a return address.

The letter, quite frankly, is an abomination and typical of the
secrecy that is rotting the club from the top down.

Have I really been suspended??????



Thanks

On Feb 5, 3:15*pm, "Janitor of Lunacy" wrote:
a_non_the_mouse wrote:
I received the following today from an angling club that I may or may
not now be a member of.

Have I been suspended???

Thanks.

It looks like it. Whether they can lawfully do this, however, depends on
their membership conditions and whether their disciplinary procedures allow
them to do this. My guess is that they probably do, because there is ample
caselaw on the wording and structure of such expulsion processes, but it's
impossible to say without looking at the conditions.

Beg pardon, sir, are you a barrister or a solicitor? Are you licensed
to dispense legal advice. Have a care, sirrah, you know not what deep
and treacherous waters you roil.

Even if they've got it
wrong, your chances of getting damages are limited,

Yeah, there's that.....but where there's sheep, there's fleece,
ainna? Go find your own ewe.

and you probably
wouldn't want to rejoin a club that had expelled you illegally.

Personally, I tend toward agreement with Mr. Marx on this point.

I'd find another angling club, if I were you.

Hell, I'd find another angling club, newsgroup, home, history,
language, culture and educational system if I were any of you.....or
try to with the limited means that would be at my disposal.

g.

"a_non_the_mouse" wrote in message
...
I received the following today from an angling club that I may or may
not now be a member of.

Have I been suspended???

Thanks.
______________________________

Dear Mr XXXXX

Your recent refusal to contact the acting secretary by phone regarding
several emails and internet posts, was brought to the attention of the
Committee at their most recent meeting.

After viewing several examples the Committee has decided to suspend
your membership until further notice, any application for the 2010
season will be refused.

The Committee believe that you have been given ample opportunity to
make direct contact in order to explain your behaviour, but you have
chosen to decline the offer.

With this in mind the committee do not feel that any further
opportunity should be extended.

If you have any questions regarding this letter, please contact Mr
Chairman on 078********

Regards

Mr Bloggs
Acting Secretary of the Association
()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()() ()()()()())()()()

This letter merely informs me that a meeting (that I wasn't
invited to) discussed my "refusal" to phone the Acting Secretary.

At no point was I instructed by ANYONE to call the Acting Secretary,
so I do not see how refusing to do what I wasn't instructed to do
could be grounds for suspension.

Additionally, at no time have I been asked to "explain my behaviour".

The letter does not tell me what authority they have to suspend my
membership.

The letter does not tell me anything about a refund of my fees.

The letter does not tell me who the members of this committee are.

The letter does not tell me about any route to appeal the decision.

The letter does not have a return address.

The letter, quite frankly, is an abomination and typical of the
secrecy that is rotting the club from the top down.

Have I really been suspended??????


Yes. To quote what you have put, "... the Committee has decided to suspend
your membership until further notice, any application for the 2010 season
will be refused."

Whether this has been fairly done and you have the right of appeal depends
on various other factors, such as the type of club and its constitution.

Iain

a_non_the_mouse wrote:
I received the following today from an angling club that I may or may
not now be a member of.

Have I been suspended???
______________________________

Dear Mr XXXXX

Your recent refusal to contact the acting secretary by phone regarding
several emails and internet posts, was brought to the attention of the
Committee at their most recent meeting.
..........
etc.

Why are you asking us? If I were you, I'd call and ask the acting
secretary.

- JR

a_non_the_mouse wrote:
I received the following today from an angling club that I may or may
not now be a member of.

Have I been suspended???

Thanks.
______________________________

Dear Mr XXXXX

Your recent refusal to contact the acting secretary by phone regarding
several emails and internet posts, was brought to the attention of the
Committee at their most recent meeting.

After viewing several examples the Committee has decided to suspend
your membership until further notice, any application for the 2010
season will be refused.

The Committee believe that you have been given ample opportunity to
make direct contact in order to explain your behaviour, but you have
chosen to decline the offer.

With this in mind the committee do not feel that any further
opportunity should be extended.

If you have any questions regarding this letter, please contact Mr
Chairman on 078********

Regards

Mr Bloggs
Acting Secretary of the Association
()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()() ()()()()())()()()

This letter merely informs me that a meeting (that I wasn't
invited to) discussed my "refusal" to phone the Acting Secretary.

At no point was I instructed by ANYONE to call the Acting Secretary,
so I do not see how refusing to do what I wasn't instructed to do
could be grounds for suspension.

Additionally, at no time have I been asked to "explain my behaviour".

The letter does not tell me what authority they have to suspend my
membership.

The letter does not tell me anything about a refund of my fees.

The letter does not tell me who the members of this committee are.

The letter does not tell me about any route to appeal the decision.

The letter does not have a return address.

The letter, quite frankly, is an abomination and typical of the
secrecy that is rotting the club from the top down.

Have I really been suspended??????

Acording to the letter yes you have & it could hardly be clearer on that
point.

You have been invited to contact 'Mr Chairman'. Surely the thing to do now
is to contact him & raise the points you mentioned above re why you feel you
have been unfairly treated.

--
Joe Lee

On Feb 5, 3:35*pm, "Joe Lee" wrote:
a_non_the_mouse wrote:
I received the following today from an angling club that I may or may
not now be a member of.

Have I been suspended???

Thanks.
______________________________

Dear Mr XXXXX

Your recent refusal to contact the acting secretary by phone regarding
several emails and internet posts, was brought to the attention of the
Committee at their most recent meeting.

After viewing several examples the Committee has decided to suspend
your membership until further notice, any application for the 2010
season will be refused.

The Committee believe that you have been given ample opportunity to
make direct contact in order to explain your behaviour, but you have
chosen to decline the offer.

With this in mind the committee do not feel that any further
opportunity should be extended.

If you have any questions regarding this letter, please contact Mr
Chairman on 078********

Regards

Mr Bloggs
Acting Secretary of the Association
()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()() ()()()()())()()()

This letter merely informs me that a meeting (that I wasn't
invited to) discussed my "refusal" to phone the Acting Secretary.

At no point was I instructed by ANYONE to call the Acting Secretary,
so I do not see how refusing to do what I wasn't instructed to do
could be grounds for suspension.

Additionally, at no time have I been asked to "explain my behaviour".

The letter does not tell me what authority they have to suspend my
membership.

The letter does not tell me anything about a refund of my fees.

The letter does not tell me who the members of this committee are.

The letter does not tell me about any route to appeal the decision.

The letter does not have a return address.

The letter, quite frankly, is an abomination and typical of the
secrecy that is rotting the club from the top down.

Have I really been suspended??????

Acording to the letter yes you have & it could hardly be clearer on that
point.

You have been invited to contact 'Mr Chairman'. Surely the thing to do now
is to contact him & raise the points you mentioned above re why you feel you
have been unfairly treated.

--
Joe Lee

Well, that's just about the most scatterbrained, unhelpful, vicious,
speculative, unreasoned, self-serving, immoral, depraved, illegal,
unconstitutional, sinister, half-witted, pig-headed, untrue, ass-
backwards, anti-grammatical and generally WRONG advice I have ever
encountered here or anywhere else!

giles
call me.....trust me.

On Fri, 5 Feb 2010 12:55:12 -0800 (PST), a_non_the_mouse
wrote:

I received the following today from an angling club that I may or may
not now be a member of.

Have I been suspended???

Yes

The letter does not tell me what authority they have to suspend my
membership.

It does not need to.

The letter does not tell me anything about a refund of my fees.

It does not need to.

The letter does not tell me who the members of this committee are.

It does not need to.

The letter does not tell me about any route to appeal the decision.

Yes it does - it tells you to phone the Chairman and supplies you with
his telephone number.

The letter does not have a return address.

It does not need to.

Have I really been suspended??????

Yes.

On 5 Feb, 22:51, Peter Parry wrote:
On Fri, 5 Feb 2010 12:55:12 -0800 (PST), a_non_the_mouse

wrote:
I received the following today from an angling club that I may or may
not now be a member of.

Have I been suspended???

Yes

The letter does not tell me what authority they have to suspend my
membership.

It does not need to.


Thanks.

I accept that "the letter" does not have to tell me what authority
they have for taking such action, but I do not know if they actually
DO have the authority to suspend a member.
Perhaps they do.
Perhaps they don't.

Not one member of the club that I have been in contact with today can
show me any evidence that such authority exists.

Perhaps Robert Clerk, the managing agent for the Crown Estate's salmon
fishing interests in Scotland, would like to know what kind of
autocrats have the lease on the river (until December 31st this
year.) This information may help him decide about the lease for the
next 5 years.

"a_non_the_mouse" wrote in message
...
I received the following today from an angling club that I may or may
not now be a member of.

Have I been suspended???

Thanks.
______________________________

Dear Mr XXXXX

Your recent refusal to contact the acting secretary by phone regarding
several emails and internet posts, was brought to the attention of the
Committee at their most recent meeting.

After viewing several examples the Committee has decided to suspend
your membership until further notice, any application for the 2010
season will be refused.

It's something you should take up with the angling club.
Quite franky I think anglers are a load of selfish arseholes who think they
own the river/canal. They can all fall in the water and drown for all I
care.
Now **** off and take your stupid argument elsewhere, you brain dead
dickhead.