Fly Floatant

"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
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Wolfgang wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote:
...
A small piece of chamois will de-slime a fly a few times, a small
piece of cotton will not de-slime a fly at all. Amadou is the way
to go.

Horse****. Amadou does exactly what chamois or cotton.....or a paper
towel,
for that matter...do. It absorbs water. It doesn't remove slime. If
it
did, we wouldn't have in our presence ...

Well, that was uncalled for, not to mention nasty. But then nasty
is your forte.

On the contrary, many here know as well as you do that you have been begging
for it for a long, long time. Now, you can pretend all you like that it's
possible to be a gratuitous ****head forever and not deal with the
consequences, but that isn't the same as knowing that it's true, is it?
Yes, it works fairly well for some......LaCourse is a good
example.....becuase of the native generosity of most of their audience, but
then, you're no retired Navy chief, are you?

As to the question at hand, you're wrong. Amadou removes the water
AND the slime and using an Amadou prepares the fly for the next
application of Frog Fanny better than anything I've ever used.
And that includes a cotton T-shirt, a piece of auto chamois, and
a piece of Cabela's Samadou.

Horse****. Amadou absorbs water. That's all it does. All the snotty
elitist posturing in the world will never change that. Grow up.

Wolfgang
and, say, how's that freelance writing career coming along?

Wolfgang wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote:

Well, that was uncalled for, not to mention nasty. But then nasty
is your forte.

On the contrary, many here know as well as you do that you have been begging
for it for a long, long time. Now, you can pretend all you like that it's
possible to be a gratuitous ****head forever and not deal with the
consequences, but that isn't the same as knowing that it's true, is it?

If by consequences you mean nasty personal attacks from a Usenet
psychopath like you, it pretty much comes with the territory. And
hell, you don't even have to be a gratuitous ****head, you've been
known to launch nasty personal attacks against just about anybody
and everybody.

Yes, it works fairly well for some......LaCourse is a good
example.....becuase of the native generosity of most of their audience, but
then, you're no retired Navy chief, are you?

No, but I own three really nice canoes.

As to the question at hand, you're wrong. Amadou removes the water
AND the slime ...

Horse****. ...

Uh huh, you said that already. You're still wrong.

and, say, how's that freelance writing career coming along?

Very well, thanks. Not as lucrative as Unix Sys Admin but it keeps
me in Budweiser and Amadou.

--
Ken Fortenberry

Wolfgang wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote:

Well, that was uncalled for, not to mention nasty. But then nasty
is your forte.

On the contrary, many here know as well as you do that you have been begging
for it for a long, long time. Now, you can pretend all you like that it's
possible to be a gratuitous ****head forever and not deal with the
consequences, but that isn't the same as knowing that it's true, is it?

If by consequences you mean nasty personal attacks from a Usenet
psychopath like you, it pretty much comes with the territory. And
hell, you don't even have to be a gratuitous ****head, you've been
known to launch nasty personal attacks against just about anybody
and everybody.

Yes, it works fairly well for some......LaCourse is a good
example.....becuase of the native generosity of most of their audience, but
then, you're no retired Navy chief, are you?

No, but I own three really nice canoes.

As to the question at hand, you're wrong. Amadou removes the water
AND the slime ...

Horse****. ...

Uh huh, you said that already. You're still wrong.

and, say, how's that freelance writing career coming along?

Very well, thanks. Not as lucrative as Unix Sys Admin but it keeps
me in Budweiser and Amadou.

--
Ken Fortenberry

"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
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Wolfgang wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote:

Well, that was uncalled for, not to mention nasty. But then nasty
is your forte.

On the contrary, many here know as well as you do that you have been
begging
for it for a long, long time. Now, you can pretend all you like that
it's
possible to be a gratuitous ****head forever and not deal with the
consequences, but that isn't the same as knowing that it's true, is it?

If by consequences you mean nasty personal attacks from a Usenet
psychopath like you, it pretty much comes with the territory. And
hell, you don't even have to be a gratuitous ****head, you've been
known to launch nasty personal attacks against just about anybody
and everybody.

What many people seem to miss is the fact that as vitriolic as these little
charades get, in the end they always devolve to comedy. A rather low form
of humor, to be sure, but funny nevertheless.

Yes, it works fairly well for some......LaCourse is a good
example.....becuase of the native generosity of most of their audience,
but
then, you're no retired Navy chief, are you?

No, but I own three really nice canoes.

As to the question at hand, you're wrong. Amadou removes the water
AND the slime ...

Horse****. ...

Uh huh, you said that already. You're still wrong.

O.k., so how does amadou work this incredible magic?

and, say, how's that freelance writing career coming along?

Very well, thanks. Not as lucrative as Unix Sys Admin but it keeps
me in Budweiser and Amadou.

$450.00 a month, huh? Wow, you're better than even YOU thought!

Wolfgang
you know i read it in a magazine......

"Wolfgang" wrote

you know i read it in a magazine......

...benny and the jets!!!

hey, this could be fun!

yfitons
wayno(she's got electric boots, a mohair suit...)

From: Jeff Marso

FWIW I experienced the same result Larry L described earlier. I only mention
it here
because I was testing West System 406 Colloidal Silica which Chuck mentions.
I don't
know anything about Frog's Fanny but assume the Top Ride I use is the same
sort of
thing.

I added a teaspoon or so of the 406 to the Top Ride container and tried it
out.
I am certain it is not the right stuff. Although it dried the fly well enough
it
seemed to make it sink rather than float especially if I had applied paste
floatant to
the fly earlier.

In that case the silica clumped onto the fly and dragged it down
instantly. Perhaps there are different formulations of colloidal silica as
RDean
suggested but based on my experience West 406 Colloidal is NOT the right
kind.

According to what I got from the Cabot website, I would say you want untreated
fumed silica. (Cab-O-Sil M-5, I think) This would be the stuff added to paint
and epoxy to help keep it from running down vertical surfaces. The treated
stuff used in toner is quite different.

The stuff I got from Aircraft Spruce may not be identical to FF, but it works
quite well for me.


George Adams

"All good fishermen stay young until they die, for fishing is the only dream of
youth that doth not grow stale with age."
---- J.W Muller

From: Jeff Marso

FWIW I experienced the same result Larry L described earlier. I only mention
it here
because I was testing West System 406 Colloidal Silica which Chuck mentions.
I don't
know anything about Frog's Fanny but assume the Top Ride I use is the same
sort of
thing.

I added a teaspoon or so of the 406 to the Top Ride container and tried it
out.
I am certain it is not the right stuff. Although it dried the fly well enough
it
seemed to make it sink rather than float especially if I had applied paste
floatant to
the fly earlier.

In that case the silica clumped onto the fly and dragged it down
instantly. Perhaps there are different formulations of colloidal silica as
RDean
suggested but based on my experience West 406 Colloidal is NOT the right
kind.

According to what I got from the Cabot website, I would say you want untreated
fumed silica. (Cab-O-Sil M-5, I think) This would be the stuff added to paint
and epoxy to help keep it from running down vertical surfaces. The treated
stuff used in toner is quite different.

The stuff I got from Aircraft Spruce may not be identical to FF, but it works
quite well for me.


George Adams

"All good fishermen stay young until they die, for fishing is the only dream of
youth that doth not grow stale with age."
---- J.W Muller

From: Ken Fortenberry

As to the question at hand, you're wrong. Amadou removes the water
AND the slime and using an Amadou prepares the fly for the next
application of Frog Fanny better than anything I've ever used.
And that includes a cotton T-shirt, a piece of auto chamois, and
a piece of Cabela's Samadou.

Never used Amadou. I've used Samadou and chamois, and, IMO, the chamois is
cheaper and works better than Samadou. I used to try to use a fleece patch,
which didn't work at all.

The way I treat a slimed fly is as follows:

Make a couple of short casts away from where the fish are, slapping the fly
sharply on the surface.

Dry the fly with the chamois.

Apply Frog's Fanny (Or Cab-O-Sil)

This procedure works quite well, even with the ostrich herl and cdc midge
patterns I have been using recently.



George Adams

"All good fishermen stay young until they die, for fishing is the only dream of
youth that doth not grow stale with age."
---- J.W Muller

"Jonathan Cook" wrote in message
...
Wolfgang wrote:

The sleeve of a well
worn cotton shirt is better

The _best_ reason to stick with plain ol' 100% cotton tees...

Not that there aren't other sufficient reasons.

Wolfgang

Wolfgang wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote:
...
Uh huh, you said that already. You're still wrong.

O.k., so how does amadou work this incredible magic?

Beats hell out of me. I don't pretend to be some sort of
amateur chemist with a penchant for pretentious jargon
and a pre-fab crackpot explanation. All I know is that
an Amadou removes water and trout slime from fur and
feathers so that the next application of Frog Fanny is
as effective as the previous application.

You can dispute this until you're blue in the face, but
I know that it's true.

... Not as lucrative as Unix Sys Admin but it keeps
me in Budweiser and Amadou.

$450.00 a month, huh? Wow, you're better than even YOU thought!

You GROSSLY underestimate my monthly Budweiser bill. ;-)

--
Ken Fortenberry