Scents + ethics/morality

Well as long as many of us are sitting around till springtime only wishing
we could get out on the water, I thought I'd try this perhaps controversial
question out on you guy/gals.

I'm not sure if scents work or not. I tend to think they do, but perhaps
that's just a psychological crutch I use (which is ok if it works . . . I
think). But I get the drift that many . . . perhaps even most members of
ROFB agree they do not work eg. see recent thread information with Joe
H's response. I know there's been an ongoing debate and am not sure of the
numbers, but let's assume most members agree that they do not work. . . .
That being the case,

I've seen just about every major tournament competitor (BASS, FLW etc)
endorse scents at one time or another. Do group members see any issues of an
ethical or moral nature in the peddeling of those products by the pros (who
must have a good idea if they legitimately work or not) if they don't really
work.?

I recall some time ago asking a similar question about endorsements of
other products by pros (eg. Hank Parker's long time Hummingbird is God's
greatest gift to fishermen. . . now with someone else). And everyone seemed
to have no problem with it because "it's how they make their living." I did
and do have a problem with it. I very much enjoy Bill Dance as a fisherman
( though he fishes nothing but stocked ponds any longer) and a person. I
understand he's a golden human being, but everyone has to know Bill would
endorse tying a cow on the end of his line if someone paid him a buck to say
it.

I guess the core question is, does anyone else feel like it's
inappropriate for people to endorse "any product" recieve endorsement monies
just because it's a sponsor and the mouthpiece is a name competitor? Just
wondering how rest of you feel. ok...shoot.
--
God Bless America

Josh The Bad Bear

NOPE!
"Josh" wrote in message
...
Well as long as many of us are sitting around till springtime only wishing
we could get out on the water, I thought I'd try this perhaps
controversial
question out on you guy/gals.

I'm not sure if scents work or not. I tend to think they do, but
perhaps
that's just a psychological crutch I use (which is ok if it works . . . I
think). But I get the drift that many . . . perhaps even most members of
ROFB agree they do not work eg. see recent thread information with Joe
H's response. I know there's been an ongoing debate and am not sure of the
numbers, but let's assume most members agree that they do not work. . . .
That being the case,

I've seen just about every major tournament competitor (BASS, FLW etc)
endorse scents at one time or another. Do group members see any issues of
an
ethical or moral nature in the peddeling of those products by the pros
(who
must have a good idea if they legitimately work or not) if they don't
really
work.?

I recall some time ago asking a similar question about endorsements
of
other products by pros (eg. Hank Parker's long time Hummingbird is God's
greatest gift to fishermen. . . now with someone else). And everyone
seemed
to have no problem with it because "it's how they make their living." I
did
and do have a problem with it. I very much enjoy Bill Dance as a
fisherman
( though he fishes nothing but stocked ponds any longer) and a person. I
understand he's a golden human being, but everyone has to know Bill would
endorse tying a cow on the end of his line if someone paid him a buck to
say
it.

I guess the core question is, does anyone else feel like it's
inappropriate for people to endorse "any product" recieve endorsement
monies
just because it's a sponsor and the mouthpiece is a name competitor? Just
wondering how rest of you feel. ok...shoot.
--
God Bless America

Josh The Bad Bear

I'd guess that you could apply the "THIS is GOOD! " program to every pro in
every sport for everything they endorse.

Is a Merc a better engine that Johns/Suz/Yam/issan ??? or does the pro ride
it because he either gets paid or gets the
motor/boat/bait/reel/rod/shirt/pants/tacklebox/etc etc. cheaper or even for
free?? Of course he gets a "deal" to endorse the product.
Better not stop at scents.

Does Tiger Woods reeaaalllly use Nike clubs or whatever??? Perhaps not...
I've heard that they are made to the specs of some other brand of club that
he liked. You and I can't even buy the same thing. At least I can buy the
same scents, if I want to ( I think ).

The reality is... if the guy is a pro, he is endorsing SOMETHING that may or
may not work as well for us as it does for him. The simple answer is a pro
is a pro and has to do it to make his living doing what he loves. It is NO
different in baseball, football, ( do you really think those ugly nose
bandages help a running back run?? ) or tennis, etc..

A well sponsored pro is a well paid ( you insert the WORD of your choice
here), and everyone knows it. It, unfortunately, is the sports program that
we all support by buying the same stuff that they sell. But, sell it is..
the product may or may not really work as well as the pro makes out.....and
I suspect everyone knows that.

RichG

Absolutely Rich. These guys are working just like us. Roland Martin jumped
ship from Ranger to Triton in the blink of an eye. No problem there.

Warren
--
http://www.fishingworld.com/MesaTackleSupply/
http://www.outdoorfrontiers.com http://www.secretweaponlures.com
http://www.warrenwolk.com/ http://www.tri-statebassmasters.com/

"RG" wrote in message
...
I'd guess that you could apply the "THIS is GOOD! " program to every pro
in
every sport for everything they endorse.

Is a Merc a better engine that Johns/Suz/Yam/issan ??? or does the pro
ride
it because he either gets paid or gets the
motor/boat/bait/reel/rod/shirt/pants/tacklebox/etc etc. cheaper or even
for
free?? Of course he gets a "deal" to endorse the product.
Better not stop at scents.

Does Tiger Woods reeaaalllly use Nike clubs or whatever??? Perhaps not...
I've heard that they are made to the specs of some other brand of club
that
he liked. You and I can't even buy the same thing. At least I can buy the
same scents, if I want to ( I think ).

The reality is... if the guy is a pro, he is endorsing SOMETHING that may
or
may not work as well for us as it does for him. The simple answer is a
pro
is a pro and has to do it to make his living doing what he loves. It is
NO
different in baseball, football, ( do you really think those ugly nose
bandages help a running back run?? ) or tennis, etc..

A well sponsored pro is a well paid ( you insert the WORD of your choice
here), and everyone knows it. It, unfortunately, is the sports program
that
we all support by buying the same stuff that they sell. But, sell it is..
the product may or may not really work as well as the pro makes
out.....and
I suspect everyone knows that.

RichG

People do what they need to do to survive or to just get a little extra.
Some do it at the expense of others - no morals.
What do they care if you buy a product that does not work. "I wanted to buy
the BASS O' MATIC from SNL." - There's a sucker born every minute. Some are
just so ME oriented they stink. Some just want to help others for no
recognition. The bigger the ego the bigger the jerk.

In a tournament where each cast is a potential fish catch, a Pro is not
going to take the time to spray his lure with some scent. The time lost
doing that could mean 2 to three casts per minute. That is a lot of missed
cast per tournament. The lost fish potential is too great.

If scent worked we would all be "stink bait dead stick fishing" for Bass - I
haven't seen any lately? Color, vibration/sound and the Bass's nature to eat
what excites it or bothers it works. Spinners, buzz bait, poppers, chuggers,
plugs, jigs, cranks - is there a theme here... I would not want to throw a
stinky plastic dip bait worm around my boat. What scent would I pick if they
worked? - my choice is a combo of rotted garlic/worm/frog with sprinkles of
grasshopper.


"Josh" wrote in message
...
Well as long as many of us are sitting around till springtime only wishing
we could get out on the water, I thought I'd try this perhaps
controversial
question out on you guy/gals.

I'm not sure if scents work or not. I tend to think they do, but
perhaps
that's just a psychological crutch I use (which is ok if it works . . . I
think). But I get the drift that many . . . perhaps even most members of
ROFB agree they do not work eg. see recent thread information with Joe
H's response. I know there's been an ongoing debate and am not sure of the
numbers, but let's assume most members agree that they do not work. . . .
That being the case,

I've seen just about every major tournament competitor (BASS, FLW etc)
endorse scents at one time or another. Do group members see any issues of
an
ethical or moral nature in the peddeling of those products by the pros
(who
must have a good idea if they legitimately work or not) if they don't
really
work.?

I recall some time ago asking a similar question about endorsements
of
other products by pros (eg. Hank Parker's long time Hummingbird is God's
greatest gift to fishermen. . . now with someone else). And everyone
seemed
to have no problem with it because "it's how they make their living." I
did
and do have a problem with it. I very much enjoy Bill Dance as a
fisherman
( though he fishes nothing but stocked ponds any longer) and a person. I
understand he's a golden human being, but everyone has to know Bill would
endorse tying a cow on the end of his line if someone paid him a buck to
say
it.

I guess the core question is, does anyone else feel like it's
inappropriate for people to endorse "any product" recieve endorsement
monies
just because it's a sponsor and the mouthpiece is a name competitor? Just
wondering how rest of you feel. ok...shoot.
--
God Bless America

Josh The Bad Bear

Have you ever heard of Uncle Josh pork frogs and trailers? They have been
around forever.
It is hard today to find a plastic bait that isn't scented,salt
impregnated,or just plain stinks to begin with.It either stinks because it
is manufactured that way or it stinks because you can get a bite with it.
As far as tournaments and winning money,if the bite is tough,pros and
amateurs alike will dip their bait in crap if they think it will get a bite.
If it was a moral issue,I would be thinking of joining PETA!

That's pretty funny! Take Josh. That guy'll rip the faces off fish all day
but he's worried about morals lol.

He's my buddy, by the way.

Warren
--
http://www.fishingworld.com/MesaTackleSupply/
http://www.outdoorfrontiers.com http://www.secretweaponlures.com
http://www.warrenwolk.com/ http://www.tri-statebassmasters.com/

"BassMr." wrote in message
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Have you ever heard of Uncle Josh pork frogs and trailers? They have been
around forever.
It is hard today to find a plastic bait that isn't scented,salt
impregnated,or just plain stinks to begin with.It either stinks because it
is manufactured that way or it stinks because you can get a bite with it.
As far as tournaments and winning money,if the bite is tough,pros and
amateurs alike will dip their bait in crap if they think it will get a
bite.
If it was a moral issue,I would be thinking of joining PETA!

If scents work for you... then they work. I've never bought a bottled scent
to spray on, but have tried the smelly jelly a few times. Mostly, the only
thing that I have that comes scented is the Powerbaits... and I love those,
just because the bass seem to love them too!


"Josh" wrote in message
...
Well as long as many of us are sitting around till springtime only wishing
we could get out on the water, I thought I'd try this perhaps
controversial
question out on you guy/gals.

I'm not sure if scents work or not. I tend to think they do, but
perhaps
that's just a psychological crutch I use (which is ok if it works . . . I
think). But I get the drift that many . . . perhaps even most members of
ROFB agree they do not work eg. see recent thread information with Joe
H's response. I know there's been an ongoing debate and am not sure of the
numbers, but let's assume most members agree that they do not work. . . .
That being the case,

I've seen just about every major tournament competitor (BASS, FLW etc)
endorse scents at one time or another. Do group members see any issues of
an
ethical or moral nature in the peddeling of those products by the pros
(who
must have a good idea if they legitimately work or not) if they don't
really
work.?

I recall some time ago asking a similar question about endorsements
of
other products by pros (eg. Hank Parker's long time Hummingbird is God's
greatest gift to fishermen. . . now with someone else). And everyone
seemed
to have no problem with it because "it's how they make their living." I
did
and do have a problem with it. I very much enjoy Bill Dance as a
fisherman
( though he fishes nothing but stocked ponds any longer) and a person. I
understand he's a golden human being, but everyone has to know Bill would
endorse tying a cow on the end of his line if someone paid him a buck to
say
it.

I guess the core question is, does anyone else feel like it's
inappropriate for people to endorse "any product" recieve endorsement
monies
just because it's a sponsor and the mouthpiece is a name competitor? Just
wondering how rest of you feel. ok...shoot.
--
God Bless America

Josh The Bad Bear

It is all about selling. Endorsing something you wouldn't use personally,
yet you feel is still a good product is OK in my book, because I do it
everyday. KVD has a signature line of products that he never uses in a
tournament situation. Yet, he feels it is a good product for the money.
Morally, ethically he is OK in my book.

When I'm selling GM product I push the positives of that product and down
play its negative. I do the same thing when I sell a Ford, or any other
product we sell. I'm getting paid to do just that. Morally, ethically
wrong? Not in my book, because both products do have good features and both
have their negative. It is the same with fishing products and anglers. They
simply point out the product's positives and if you feel those positives are
what you are looking for, GREAT!

--
Craig Baugher

"Craig" wrote in message
...
It is all about selling. Endorsing something you wouldn't use personally,
yet you feel is still a good product is OK in my book, because I do it
everyday. KVD has a signature line of products that he never uses in a
tournament situation. Yet, he feels it is a good product for the money.
Morally, ethically he is OK in my book.

When I'm selling GM product I push the positives of that product and down
play its negative. I do the same thing when I sell a Ford, or any other
product we sell. I'm getting paid to do just that. Morally, ethically
wrong? Not in my book, because both products do have good features and
both
have their negative. It is the same with fishing products and anglers.

Can I remind you of this next time I see Rdoney pushing the positives of his
Dragon Fly or Boomerang lures?

LOL

Actually I think Rodney is a thinking fisherman. Not a bass focused guy and
certainly a little weird, but he is always thinking.

--
Bob La Londe
Yuma, Az
http://www.YumaBassMan.com
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