Neocons are from Mars, liberals are from Venus

Just read this site about the differences between Conservatives and
Liberals, and how they view each other. Its UNBIASED....or at least
gives fair and equal treatment. Definately worth the read, especially
the last part where they interview Frank Luntz, the "man behind the
curtain" of the Republican party, and who can most certainly be called
the grand puppetmaster of the American Political Psyche.

WELL worth the read..

http://tinyurl.com/54tf5

--riverman

On 7 Nov 2004 03:39:24 -0800, (riverman) wrote:

Just read this site about the differences between Conservatives and
Liberals, and how they view each other. Its UNBIASED....or at least
gives fair and equal treatment. Definately worth the read, especially
the last part where they interview Frank Luntz, the "man behind the
curtain" of the Republican party, and who can most certainly be called
the grand puppetmaster of the American Political Psyche.

WELL worth the read..

http://tinyurl.com/54tf5

--riverman


Lakoff has had this view going for a while. I've read his "Moral
Politics: What the Conservatives Know tha Liberals Don't" back in '99.
This characterization seems to fit the U.S. very well, but until
recently, Canada less so. Over the past decade, we've seen a rise in
U.S. style conservatives here, The Reform / Canadian Alliance party
and the old Progressive Conservative party merged, completely wiping
out the "Progressive" component of the Canadian conservative movement,
turning it into a U.S. style conservative movement. So far, the
language of this movemement does not fit the Canadian political psyche
as it does the U.S. However, it will eventually. I mention this to
point out that their are (were) other models of left/right behaviour
in other political systems.

One interesting point in the website, Lakoff refering to "an elaborate
mythology" inherent in the Conservative worldview. That worldview
would seems to be rooted in pioneering and the myths of the
Revolution. I suppose Lakoff isn't as interested in origins but it's
an area I'd like to see him pursue.

Peter

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,,,, Lakoff refering to "an elaborate
mythology" inherent in the Conservative worldview. That worldview
would seems to be rooted in pioneering and the myths of the
Revolution.

It is most heavily based on the Newtonian worldview, as "translated"
into political and social thought by John Locke and later, Adam
Smith,Thomas Jefferson, et. al.

It also has some roots in the Protestant Reformation.

vince

On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 20:50:34 -0500, vincent p. norris
wrote:

,,,, Lakoff refering to "an elaborate
mythology" inherent in the Conservative worldview. That worldview
would seems to be rooted in pioneering and the myths of the
Revolution.

It is most heavily based on the Newtonian worldview, as "translated"
into political and social thought by John Locke and later, Adam
Smith,Thomas Jefferson, et. al.

It also has some roots in the Protestant Reformation.

vince

It all flows to where it is today. Whig thought was Lockian.
Jeffersonian thought was Lockian, etc. etc. It was the English
exception to absolutism expressed in America. And so on.

Problem is, too few people know this **** . . .

Read a website the other day that claimed that America was the world's
first democracy. I'm sure the Athenians would be pleased to know this
little chestnut. Especially considering that the original
constitution was designed to forstall both the tyranny of the despot
as well as the tyranny of the majority. As one American loyalist so
aptly summed up the mood of the times, "I'd rather be ruled by one
tyrant three thousand miles away than three thousand tyrants one mile
away." The original framers of the US constitution did not disagree
with him in any fundamental way.

Peter

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Read a website the other day that claimed that America was the world's
first democracy. I'm sure the Athenians would be pleased to know this
little chestnut.

And hasn't Iceland had a democratic government for about 900 years?

vince

On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 21:29:27 -0500, vincent p. norris
wrote:

Read a website the other day that claimed that America was the world's
first democracy. I'm sure the Athenians would be pleased to know this
little chestnut.

And hasn't Iceland had a democratic government for about 900 years?

vince

and the Isle of Man had the world's first parliament . . .



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vincent p. norris wrote in message . ..
Read a website the other day that claimed that America was the world's
first democracy. I'm sure the Athenians would be pleased to know this
little chestnut.

And hasn't Iceland had a democratic government for about 900 years?

vince

Iceland has had a parliament since 930, democratic government since 1918.

vincent p. norris wrote in message . ..
Read a website the other day that claimed that America was the world's
first democracy. I'm sure the Athenians would be pleased to know this
little chestnut.

And hasn't Iceland had a democratic government for about 900 years?

vince

Iceland has had a parliament since 930, democratic government since 1918.

On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 20:50:34 -0500, vincent p. norris
wrote:

,,,, Lakoff refering to "an elaborate
mythology" inherent in the Conservative worldview. That worldview
would seems to be rooted in pioneering and the myths of the
Revolution.

It is most heavily based on the Newtonian worldview, as "translated"
into political and social thought by John Locke and later, Adam
Smith,Thomas Jefferson, et. al.

It also has some roots in the Protestant Reformation.

vince

It all flows to where it is today. Whig thought was Lockian.
Jeffersonian thought was Lockian, etc. etc. It was the English
exception to absolutism expressed in America. And so on.

Problem is, too few people know this **** . . .

Read a website the other day that claimed that America was the world's
first democracy. I'm sure the Athenians would be pleased to know this
little chestnut. Especially considering that the original
constitution was designed to forstall both the tyranny of the despot
as well as the tyranny of the majority. As one American loyalist so
aptly summed up the mood of the times, "I'd rather be ruled by one
tyrant three thousand miles away than three thousand tyrants one mile
away." The original framers of the US constitution did not disagree
with him in any fundamental way.

Peter

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On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 20:50:34 -0500, vincent p. norris
wrote:

,,,, Lakoff refering to "an elaborate
mythology" inherent in the Conservative worldview. That worldview
would seems to be rooted in pioneering and the myths of the
Revolution.

It is most heavily based on the Newtonian worldview, as "translated"
into political and social thought by John Locke and later, Adam
Smith,Thomas Jefferson, et. al.

It also has some roots in the Protestant Reformation.

vince

It all flows to where it is today. Whig thought was Lockian.
Jeffersonian thought was Lockian, etc. etc. It was the English
exception to absolutism expressed in America. And so on.

Problem is, too few people know this **** . . .

Read a website the other day that claimed that America was the world's
first democracy. I'm sure the Athenians would be pleased to know this
little chestnut. Especially considering that the original
constitution was designed to forstall both the tyranny of the despot
as well as the tyranny of the majority. As one American loyalist so
aptly summed up the mood of the times, "I'd rather be ruled by one
tyrant three thousand miles away than three thousand tyrants one mile
away." The original framers of the US constitution did not disagree
with him in any fundamental way.

Peter

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