Rangeley style: heavy or light hooks?

Hello all,

I am planning to tie a set of Rangeley-style streamers. I need to have
streamers which have large silhouette, but which I can cast with a 5wt
or a 6wt line. At least one magazine articles stated that
Rangeley-style streamers would be good for this purpose. (If you have
strong doubts about this, please let me know.)

What I need to do now is to select which hooks I will use. The page

http://globalflyfisher.com/streamers...ooks/hooks.htm

gives a pretty good overview of the different types of hooks
available. Naturally, my desire to use relatively light line weights
biases me towards those hooks made of thinner wire. But, my question
is, does a thin-wire hook make the streamer more prone to swim on its
side?

The much recommended Mike Martinek -hooks are not available (at least
locally), but we do have Partridge CS-15 (heavy wire), TMC 300 (medium
heavy) and maybe also Mustad 94720 (light). And of course anything can
be ordered from the web nowadays.

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Jarmo I need to have streamers which have large silhouette, but which
Jarmo I can cast with a 5wt or a 6wt line. ... (If you have strong
Jarmo doubts about this, please let me know.)

Eh, I have to clarify this before anyone even tries to answer. Of
course it is possible to use, say, a 5wt line if the hook size is
small enough. But I have the desire to go as high as hook size 4. (The
article I read claims that this is realistic.)

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Jarmo I need to have streamers which have large silhouette, but which
Jarmo I can cast with a 5wt or a 6wt line. ... (If you have strong
Jarmo doubts about this, please let me know.)

Eh, I have to clarify this before anyone even tries to answer. Of
course it is possible to use, say, a 5wt line if the hook size is
small enough. But I have the desire to go as high as hook size 4. (The
article I read claims that this is realistic.)

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Jarmo I need to have streamers which have large silhouette, but which
Jarmo I can cast with a 5wt or a 6wt line. ... (If you have strong
Jarmo doubts about this, please let me know.)

Eh, I have to clarify this before anyone even tries to answer. Of
course it is possible to use, say, a 5wt line if the hook size is
small enough. But I have the desire to go as high as hook size 4. (The
article I read claims that this is realistic.)

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The Rangely style streamers have constructed wings of feather fibre, and
this makes them rather difficult to cast with light gear. I only ever tried
a couple in this style, and then gave up on them. If you want large
streamers which can be cast with light gear, I would suggest you go for
synthetics, or at least hair wings. Tube flies are also a good alternative.

TL
MC

Mike The Rangely style streamers have constructed wings of feather
Mike fibre, and this makes them rather difficult to cast with light
Mike gear.

Hi Mike,

These streamers have very slim profiles in the directions orthogonal
to the large silhouette - could this help in casting? (Still looking
for a reason why experienced fly fishermen would call these good
streamers for lightweight gear.)


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Mike The Rangely style streamers have constructed wings of feather
Mike fibre, and this makes them rather difficult to cast with light
Mike gear.

Hi Mike,

These streamers have very slim profiles in the directions orthogonal
to the large silhouette - could this help in casting? (Still looking
for a reason why experienced fly fishermen would call these good
streamers for lightweight gear.)


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Mike The Rangely style streamers have constructed wings of feather
Mike fibre, and this makes them rather difficult to cast with light
Mike gear.

Hi Mike,

These streamers have very slim profiles in the directions orthogonal
to the large silhouette - could this help in casting? (Still looking
for a reason why experienced fly fishermen would call these good
streamers for lightweight gear.)



Isn't the Gray Ghost a Rangley style? I've never had any problem casting a
size 8 on a 5-wt. I don't know if you can push it to 4.

If you don't ridiculously load up on the floss body, you really aren't
casting much more than the hook. Pretty slim profile. The wings are
feathers and herl, but not particulary thick and heavy-- Arranged to give
large profile without much bulk

Scott

Jarmo Hurri wrote in
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Mike The Rangely style streamers have constructed wings of feather
Mike fibre, and this makes them rather difficult to cast with light
Mike gear.

Hi Mike,

These streamers have very slim profiles in the directions orthogonal
to the large silhouette - could this help in casting? (Still looking
for a reason why experienced fly fishermen would call these good
streamers for lightweight gear.)



Isn't the Gray Ghost a Rangley style? I've never had any problem casting a
size 8 on a 5-wt. I don't know if you can push it to 4.

If you don't ridiculously load up on the floss body, you really aren't
casting much more than the hook. Pretty slim profile. The wings are
feathers and herl, but not particulary thick and heavy-- Arranged to give
large profile without much bulk

Scott

Jamo,
I tie Rangely style streamers and bucktails on Mustad 6x long hooks up
to size 6 (78950?) and have no trouble handling them with either my
Orvis 5wt (8-1/2' Henry's Fork) or my St Croix 9' 6 wt. The thing is,
I'm fishing small to mediums sizes streams where 50' is a long cast,
and much of the fishing is accomplished with roll casts. Fishing
requiring longer casts could change the equation.

Most of the Rangeley designs were originally intended for trolling, and
were tied on the longer (8x+) hooks, or with a stinger hook. These
patterns have been adapted quite well to the somewhat shorter hooks for
stream fishing, and they are still favorites for fishing in northern
New England. I fish them deep, so I favor a heavier hook. One tip. If
you're tying with traditional feather wings or marabou, keep the wings
a bit short, or add a small bunch of bucktail between the body and the
wing to keep the wing from wrapping around the hook during casting.

I'll bet Peter Charles will have some valuable info on this subject.

Scott Isn't the Gray Ghost a Rangley style? I've never had any
Scott problem casting a size 8 on a 5-wt. I don't know if you can
Scott push it to 4.

I think it is. But size 8 is pretty standard for a 5wt anyhow, so I
wouldn't expect any problems there.

Scott If you don't ridiculously load up on the floss body, you really
Scott aren't casting much more than the hook. Pretty slim profile.
Scott The wings are feathers and herl, but not particulary thick and
Scott heavy-- Arranged to give large profile without much bulk

That's what I thought too.

Decided to also harass people on the fly tying forum

http://flytyingforum.com/

because I noticed that they have a feather streamer swap going on.

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