Superlines snapping

I thought my search for the "vonderline" was over. I put some Stren on and
it performed very well. ....Until yesterday when the specter of ALL prior
superlines came back.

I usually cast a long way with a very strong "snap" of my wrist. It is
necessary here on the TX Gulf coast and beside, I like it! Yesterday, I
SNAPPED a spinnerbait right off of the line.

Over the years, I've lost more lures during casting with ANY superline then
I ever lost with any mono. I know that mono gives me some stretch, so my big
SNAP cast (when I get a backlash) doesn't always break off.

Am I the only guy with this complaint about Superlines? I'm using 30 lb with
8 lb diameter. I usually use ten pound mono???
Thanks ,

RichG
http://groups.msn.com/CarolinaSkiffOwners

What knot are you tying?

"RichG" wrote in message
om...
I thought my search for the "vonderline" was over. I put some Stren on and
it performed very well. ....Until yesterday when the specter of ALL prior
superlines came back.

I usually cast a long way with a very strong "snap" of my wrist. It is
necessary here on the TX Gulf coast and beside, I like it! Yesterday, I
SNAPPED a spinnerbait right off of the line.

Over the years, I've lost more lures during casting with ANY superline
then
I ever lost with any mono. I know that mono gives me some stretch, so my
big
SNAP cast (when I get a backlash) doesn't always break off.

Am I the only guy with this complaint about Superlines? I'm using 30 lb
with
8 lb diameter. I usually use ten pound mono???
Thanks ,

RichG
http://groups.msn.com/CarolinaSkiffOwners

Well, the truth is that I am still using the old fashioned "modified blood
knot". I guess it could be that the lure is simply "sliding off" of the
slippery knot, rather than the line actually breaking off.

I will re-tie with a Palomar and try to snap the d%$# thing off and report
back. I'm certain I can work in a "professional overrun" in the next 20 or
so casts!

Thanks for the..... (should have been obvious to me )...... thought.
--
RichG
http://groups.msn.com/CarolinaSkiffOwners

Do you know if your line is breaking at the knot or someplace else? You
should definitely be using a palomar knot for these types of lines. I have
seen at least with Fireline and PowerPro that if the line gets knicked, it
can break. That is one reason I prefer PowerPro over Fireline in that
Fireline gets so frayed looking that it is hard to tell if it is knicked.
PowerPro seems to take much longer to look that way even though they are
essentially the same material. I have not had experience yet with Stren,
but plan to try it out sometime this year.

Jeff


"RichG" wrote in message
om...
I thought my search for the "vonderline" was over. I put some Stren on and
it performed very well. ....Until yesterday when the specter of ALL prior
superlines came back.

I usually cast a long way with a very strong "snap" of my wrist. It is
necessary here on the TX Gulf coast and beside, I like it! Yesterday, I
SNAPPED a spinnerbait right off of the line.

Over the years, I've lost more lures during casting with ANY superline
then
I ever lost with any mono. I know that mono gives me some stretch, so my
big
SNAP cast (when I get a backlash) doesn't always break off.

Am I the only guy with this complaint about Superlines? I'm using 30 lb
with
8 lb diameter. I usually use ten pound mono???
Thanks ,

RichG
http://groups.msn.com/CarolinaSkiffOwners

For what it's worth, I have had polymer knots come apart on at least three
occasions using P-Pro 15lb and 20lb line. Once with a very large LM, and
twice during casting. I ONLY use the uni-knot now configured with two passes
through the eye and 8 loops. This particular knot has never failed.

P-Pro recommends two passes through the eye with a polymer knot. I had only
passed the line through once when I experienced the failures. Might have
just been my laziness.


"Jeff Durham" wrote in message
...
Do you know if your line is breaking at the knot or someplace else? You
should definitely be using a palomar knot for these types of lines. I
have
seen at least with Fireline and PowerPro that if the line gets knicked, it
can break. That is one reason I prefer PowerPro over Fireline in that
Fireline gets so frayed looking that it is hard to tell if it is knicked.
PowerPro seems to take much longer to look that way even though they are
essentially the same material. I have not had experience yet with Stren,
but plan to try it out sometime this year.

Jeff


"RichG" wrote in message
om...
I thought my search for the "vonderline" was over. I put some Stren on
and
it performed very well. ....Until yesterday when the specter of ALL
prior
superlines came back.

I usually cast a long way with a very strong "snap" of my wrist. It is
necessary here on the TX Gulf coast and beside, I like it! Yesterday, I
SNAPPED a spinnerbait right off of the line.

Over the years, I've lost more lures during casting with ANY superline
then
I ever lost with any mono. I know that mono gives me some stretch, so my
big
SNAP cast (when I get a backlash) doesn't always break off.

Am I the only guy with this complaint about Superlines? I'm using 30 lb
with
8 lb diameter. I usually use ten pound mono???
Thanks ,

RichG
http://groups.msn.com/CarolinaSkiffOwners

I had the same problem when I first started with Power Pro. Now I wet the knot (palymar) befor I snug it up and the failures have
stopped. Doc
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"Richard Liebert" wrote in message ...
For what it's worth, I have had polymer knots come apart on at least three
occasions using P-Pro 15lb and 20lb line. Once with a very large LM, and
twice during casting.

"RichG" wrote in message
om...
I thought my search for the "vonderline" was over. I put some Stren on and
it performed very well. ....Until yesterday when the specter of ALL prior
superlines came back.

I usually cast a long way with a very strong "snap" of my wrist. It is
necessary here on the TX Gulf coast and beside, I like it! Yesterday, I
SNAPPED a spinnerbait right off of the line.

Over the years, I've lost more lures during casting with ANY superline
then
I ever lost with any mono. I know that mono gives me some stretch, so my
big
SNAP cast (when I get a backlash) doesn't always break off.

Am I the only guy with this complaint about Superlines? I'm using 30 lb
with
8 lb diameter. I usually use ten pound mono???
Thanks ,

Hey Rich,

I've had this happen to me on occasion, but usually only with some pretty
heavy muskie lures. It could be the knot slipping, it could be that you had
a weak spot (i.e. nick) in the line, or you simply have that powerful of a
cast that the shock was too much for the 30 pound line. Breaking strength
is usually tested by slowly loading a line until it breaks, but a sudden
shock could part it.

Don't let it get you down, I'm not saying that PowerPro (or any superline
for that matter) is perfect, there are some problems associated with the
line, but I have less problems with braids than other lines.
--
Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers
http://www.outdoorfrontiers.com
G & S Guide Service and Custom Rods
http://www.herefishyfishy.com

Well, Steve...since I fished with you . You know that I have that Powerful
Snap that could break down tall buildings .... whoops.... that's another
story......

I actually love the various forms of superlines that I have tried in the
past.

My biggest complaint with mono is the high number of twists that I get the
line. I do baitcasting almost 100% of the time. It's a Texas thing!

I use swivels, even good swivels, but I cast and cast and cast..and mono,
sooner or later, builds up a twist in one part of the line. From then on, it
is backlash after backlash. I use the best equipment ( Chronarch reels);
I've been doing this for over 55 years; and I don't get any backlashes for
an hour or two with new lines. If I stretch the mono out behind the boat
for a while, I don't get any backlashes for a long while.

However, once I get one...then the rest of the day is fraught with problems.
I love Superlines and hope I can make this one work for me.

Thanks for your input.
--
RichG
http://groups.msn.com/CarolinaSkiffOwners

Last summer I lost few senkos and spinner blade this way. The soft
plastics just tore off the hook and the spinner blade broke at the swivel.
So it wasn't the knot ... Oh, and yes, one Heddon Spook flew away, but it
was my fault because I tied it with uni loop. I use
Spiderwire "stealth" 20/6 and it seems it holds the regular palomar knot
just fine.

On Wed, 14 Apr 2004, RichG wrote:

I thought my search for the "vonderline" was over. I put some Stren on and
it performed very well. ....Until yesterday when the specter of ALL prior
superlines came back.

I usually cast a long way with a very strong "snap" of my wrist. It is
necessary here on the TX Gulf coast and beside, I like it! Yesterday, I
SNAPPED a spinnerbait right off of the line.

Over the years, I've lost more lures during casting with ANY superline then
I ever lost with any mono. I know that mono gives me some stretch, so my big
SNAP cast (when I get a backlash) doesn't always break off.

Am I the only guy with this complaint about Superlines? I'm using 30 lb with
8 lb diameter. I usually use ten pound mono???
Thanks ,

RichG
http://groups.msn.com/CarolinaSkiffOwners

I fish for river smallies and I've been using 30 pound Power Pro and start
off with about six feet of 14 pound Segar fluorocarbon tied on as a leader.
I have had very little trouble with this setup. Make the union with a double
uni-knot. This knot has never failed. I like using a leader because it's
easy to tie different knots with mono. I tie loop knots often and it's easy
with mono.I know where the line will break if I have to break off. ( the
mono breaks). I haven't noticed any loss of sensitivity by using a mono
leader . Although I do admit my clients put in more time with my spinning
outfits than the baitcasters. The improvement of feeling the bites and
landing more fish is why I am going to continue to spool up with PPro &
mono. BUT, some people have a hard time adjusting to using PPro . (must
loosen the drag & use a softer rod). I do keep a rod with mono for those
folks who have troubles .
"Nikolay" wrote in message
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Last summer I lost few senkos and spinner blade this way. The soft
plastics just tore off the hook and the spinner blade broke at the swivel.
So it wasn't the knot ... Oh, and yes, one Heddon Spook flew away, but it
was my fault because I tied it with uni loop. I use
Spiderwire "stealth" 20/6 and it seems it holds the regular palomar knot
just fine.

On Wed, 14 Apr 2004, RichG wrote:

I thought my search for the "vonderline" was over. I put some Stren on
and
it performed very well. ....Until yesterday when the specter of ALL
prior
superlines came back.

I usually cast a long way with a very strong "snap" of my wrist. It is
necessary here on the TX Gulf coast and beside, I like it! Yesterday, I
SNAPPED a spinnerbait right off of the line.

Over the years, I've lost more lures during casting with ANY superline
then
I ever lost with any mono. I know that mono gives me some stretch, so my
big
SNAP cast (when I get a backlash) doesn't always break off.

Am I the only guy with this complaint about Superlines? I'm using 30 lb
with
8 lb diameter. I usually use ten pound mono???
Thanks ,

RichG
http://groups.msn.com/CarolinaSkiffOwners