line for spinning reels ?

I don't use spinning reels all that much and late in the season I tried
some fluorocarbon line on two reels in 4 and 6#.
They both seemed much more prone to birdnests than before.
Is the old mono a better choice?

thanks
bill

On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 18:13:21 GMT, "bill allemann"
sent into the ether:

I don't use spinning reels all that much and late in the season I tried
some fluorocarbon line on two reels in 4 and 6#.
They both seemed much more prone to birdnests than before.
Is the old mono a better choice?

thanks
bill

Birds nests on a spinning reel sounds like a line twist or incorrect
winding of the line initially. Did the line seem to jump off the
spool by itself even before you first cast with it? If so, it either
has too much line on the spool or was installed so the set is opposite
of the spool winding. Take it all off and running it through a wet
towel will help.

Also check the bail roller for free movement. If it is not moving
freely it will cause line twist. If it is not moving freely, take it
apart and clean it. Put one small drop of oil on it before
reassembly.

Hope that helps

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Regarding the reel I used more, I wasn't using a bait that ever seemed to
rotate at all (wacky worm),
and I tried letting all the line out with nothing tied on while the boat was
on the move, and the
problem repeated again fairly quickly. Not the first cast, but probably
within 20 or so.
Regarding the bail roller, I'll look into that.
Thanks
Bill


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On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 18:13:21 GMT, "bill allemann"
sent into the ether:

I don't use spinning reels all that much and late in the season I tried
some fluorocarbon line on two reels in 4 and 6#.
They both seemed much more prone to birdnests than before.
Is the old mono a better choice?

thanks
bill

Birds nests on a spinning reel sounds like a line twist or incorrect
winding of the line initially. Did the line seem to jump off the
spool by itself even before you first cast with it? If so, it either
has too much line on the spool or was installed so the set is opposite
of the spool winding. Take it all off and running it through a wet
towel will help.

Also check the bail roller for free movement. If it is not moving
freely it will cause line twist. If it is not moving freely, take it
apart and clean it. Put one small drop of oil on it before
reassembly.

Hope that helps

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On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 19:01:10 GMT, "bill allemann"
sent into the ether:

Regarding the reel I used more, I wasn't using a bait that ever seemed to
rotate at all (wacky worm),
and I tried letting all the line out with nothing tied on while the boat was
on the move, and the
problem repeated again fairly quickly. Not the first cast, but probably
within 20 or so.
Regarding the bail roller, I'll look into that.
Thanks
Bill

The twisting from a bail roller can be very frustrating. It sounds
like that is what you have. On reels that do not have the best roller
set up I usually raise the bait up out of the water with 6' or so of
line out and watch for a spinning bait. It lets out some of the twist
that way.



"Dan, danl, danny boy, Redbeard, actually Greybeard now"
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On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 18:13:21 GMT, "bill allemann"
sent into the ether:

I don't use spinning reels all that much and late in the season I tried
some fluorocarbon line on two reels in 4 and 6#.
They both seemed much more prone to birdnests than before.
Is the old mono a better choice?

thanks
bill

Birds nests on a spinning reel sounds like a line twist or incorrect
winding of the line initially. Did the line seem to jump off the
spool by itself even before you first cast with it? If so, it either
has too much line on the spool or was installed so the set is opposite
of the spool winding. Take it all off and running it through a wet
towel will help.

Also check the bail roller for free movement. If it is not moving
freely it will cause line twist. If it is not moving freely, take it
apart and clean it. Put one small drop of oil on it before
reassembly.

Hope that helps

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Bill your problem is probably that you get a tiny loop on your spool as a
result of that near-weightless lure you're tossing. If you get such a loop
& don't notice it your next cast usually will result in a nice ball of
nesting material. Try pulling your line taught after closing your bail,
befoere you start your retrieve.

Warren

"bill allemann" wrote in message
om...
Regarding the reel I used more, I wasn't using a bait that ever seemed to
rotate at all (wacky worm),
and I tried letting all the line out with nothing tied on while the boat
was
on the move, and the
problem repeated again fairly quickly. Not the first cast, but probably
within 20 or so.
Regarding the bail roller, I'll look into that.
Thanks
Bill


"Dan, danl, danny boy, Redbeard, actually Greybeard now"
wrote in message
...
On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 18:13:21 GMT, "bill allemann"
sent into the ether:

I don't use spinning reels all that much and late in the season I
tried
some fluorocarbon line on two reels in 4 and 6#.
They both seemed much more prone to birdnests than before.
Is the old mono a better choice?

thanks
bill

Birds nests on a spinning reel sounds like a line twist or incorrect
winding of the line initially. Did the line seem to jump off the
spool by itself even before you first cast with it? If so, it either
has too much line on the spool or was installed so the set is opposite
of the spool winding. Take it all off and running it through a wet
towel will help.

Also check the bail roller for free movement. If it is not moving
freely it will cause line twist. If it is not moving freely, take it
apart and clean it. Put one small drop of oil on it before
reassembly.

Hope that helps

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Warren,

I'll try to make the tensioning thing into a habit.
That sounds like it could be a factor. I haven't
really used 4# test before, so I'm in a learning curve here.

Also, a couple of people have mentioned the bail roller,
but it seems unlikely to me that the very light resistance
during a retrieve would create enought friction to spin the roller.
Or would I need to get a high $$ reel to get a truly free running
bail roller?

Thanks
Bill


"go-bassn" wrote in message
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Bill your problem is probably that you get a tiny loop on your spool as a
result of that near-weightless lure you're tossing. If you get such a
loop
& don't notice it your next cast usually will result in a nice ball of
nesting material. Try pulling your line taught after closing your bail,
befoere you start your retrieve.

Warren

"bill allemann" wrote in message
om...
Regarding the reel I used more, I wasn't using a bait that ever seemed to
rotate at all (wacky worm),
and I tried letting all the line out with nothing tied on while the boat
was
on the move, and the
problem repeated again fairly quickly. Not the first cast, but probably
within 20 or so.
Regarding the bail roller, I'll look into that.
Thanks
Bill

I doubt a bail roller is effecting anything there Bill. I'm pretty familiar
with your problem, I've been dealing with it for years as I use spinning
equiptment often. You're just not noticing the occasional loop, I'd bet on
it.

As for your high $ reel question, I always recommend using the quality reels
possible. My reels run me between $170 & 210 each, and I rarely experience
any problems with them mechanically. Of course your financial situation
would dictate the price of your toys understandably. As a note I use rods
that run 90-100 for the most part, I don't see a cause to spend more on
them. Not cheap, but far from top-of-the-line.

Warren

"bill allemann" wrote in message
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Warren,

I'll try to make the tensioning thing into a habit.
That sounds like it could be a factor. I haven't
really used 4# test before, so I'm in a learning curve here.

Also, a couple of people have mentioned the bail roller,
but it seems unlikely to me that the very light resistance
during a retrieve would create enought friction to spin the roller.
Or would I need to get a high $$ reel to get a truly free running
bail roller?

Thanks
Bill


"go-bassn" wrote in message
...
Bill your problem is probably that you get a tiny loop on your spool as
a
result of that near-weightless lure you're tossing. If you get such a
loop
& don't notice it your next cast usually will result in a nice ball of
nesting material. Try pulling your line taught after closing your bail,
befoere you start your retrieve.

Warren

"bill allemann" wrote in message
om...
Regarding the reel I used more, I wasn't using a bait that ever seemed
to
rotate at all (wacky worm),
and I tried letting all the line out with nothing tied on while the
boat
was
on the move, and the
problem repeated again fairly quickly. Not the first cast, but
probably
within 20 or so.
Regarding the bail roller, I'll look into that.
Thanks
Bill

Bill:
Use fluorocarbon for leader material. I find a quality limp mono is the
best all around line for use on spinning tackle. Spinning gear does
tend to birds nest from time to time but it's usually caused by
improper line spooling such as refilling off the packaging spool
imporperly. Often guys put to much line on. Don't let that pimply faced
kid use one of those line machines they have at bait shops. You'll end
up tearing it all off.
You get what you pay for with lines so don't cheap out and buy the
limpest line you can find and remember what I said use the fluorocarbon
for leader material in snaggy stuff.
Jackfish

how much leader length?
would the knot cause trouble going through the guides when casting?

thanks
bill


"Jackfish" wrote in message
ups.com...
Bill:
Use fluorocarbon for leader material. I find a quality limp mono is the
best all around line for use on spinning tackle. Spinning gear does
tend to birds nest from time to time but it's usually caused by
improper line spooling such as refilling off the packaging spool
imporperly. Often guys put to much line on. Don't let that pimply faced
kid use one of those line machines they have at bait shops. You'll end
up tearing it all off.
You get what you pay for with lines so don't cheap out and buy the
limpest line you can find and remember what I said use the fluorocarbon
for leader material in snaggy stuff.
Jackfish

I don't know a lot about your winters, however I live in SE North Carolina
and all I can say is Heck Yes For Winter! That is when the fishes school up
tight out in open water. They are no longer scattered all over the place.
You find them and then you simply pick them off one at a time. Vertical
Jigging most often does the trick. Average temps hover around high 30's up
to mid 40's most of the winter. On real nasty days: wind-rain-Real cold:20's
I spend my weekends building structure{underwater hurdles}. I LOVE WINTER
FISHING in the SOUTH!!

"bill allemann" wrote in message
. com...
how much leader length?
would the knot cause trouble going through the guides when casting?

thanks
bill


"Jackfish" wrote in message
ups.com...
Bill:
Use fluorocarbon for leader material. I find a quality limp mono is the
best all around line for use on spinning tackle. Spinning gear does
tend to birds nest from time to time but it's usually caused by
improper line spooling such as refilling off the packaging spool
imporperly. Often guys put to much line on. Don't let that pimply faced
kid use one of those line machines they have at bait shops. You'll end
up tearing it all off.
You get what you pay for with lines so don't cheap out and buy the
limpest line you can find and remember what I said use the fluorocarbon
for leader material in snaggy stuff.
Jackfish