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Old May 7th, 2004, 12:03 PM
Dale Coleman
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Default Feeding and attracting wild shiners?

Hi all, the other day I went down to the local lake and threw out some
bread near the weeds waited a bit then tossed my cast net.

I was surprised to find some nice wild shiners in the net. For some
reason I had thought the lake mostly held bream.

This got me thinking it would not take much to feed and attract many
more shiners.

So my question is what are the best feeds to use that might attract
the shiners but maybe discourage the bream some? What I have observed
is the bream are quick to take bread on the surface but the shiners
seem to like to stay down a bit, does that sound right? Maybe a feed
that sinks would work best???

Thanks, DC
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Old May 7th, 2004, 01:29 PM
Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers
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"Dale Coleman" wrote in message
s.com...
Hi all, the other day I went down to the local lake and threw out some
bread near the weeds waited a bit then tossed my cast net.

I was surprised to find some nice wild shiners in the net. For some
reason I had thought the lake mostly held bream.

This got me thinking it would not take much to feed and attract many
more shiners.

So my question is what are the best feeds to use that might attract
the shiners but maybe discourage the bream some? What I have observed
is the bream are quick to take bread on the surface but the shiners
seem to like to stay down a bit, does that sound right? Maybe a feed
that sinks would work best???


You might want to try using some dry dog food, or punch some holes in a can
of dog food, tie a string to it and throw it in. I've heard that's what the
wild shiner trappers in Florida do.
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Old May 7th, 2004, 03:47 PM
Bob La Londe
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Default Feeding and attracting wild shiners?

When I asked about catching minnows in the Ask Lannes forum he suggested
using a ball of congealed blood like form a butcher shop.

http://www.yumabassman.com/cgi-bin/y...m=107967 8474

or

http://tinyurl.com/3culc

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"Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers" wrote in
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"Dale Coleman" wrote in message
s.com...
Hi all, the other day I went down to the local lake and threw out some
bread near the weeds waited a bit then tossed my cast net.

I was surprised to find some nice wild shiners in the net. For some
reason I had thought the lake mostly held bream.

This got me thinking it would not take much to feed and attract many
more shiners.

So my question is what are the best feeds to use that might attract
the shiners but maybe discourage the bream some? What I have observed
is the bream are quick to take bread on the surface but the shiners
seem to like to stay down a bit, does that sound right? Maybe a feed
that sinks would work best???


You might want to try using some dry dog food, or punch some holes in a

can
of dog food, tie a string to it and throw it in. I've heard that's what

the
wild shiner trappers in Florida do.
--
Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers
http://www.outdoorfrontiers.com
G & S Guide Service and Custom Rods
http://www.herefishyfishy.com




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Old May 7th, 2004, 03:52 PM
Bob La Londe
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Default Also: Feeding and attracting wild shiners?

I once had good luck attracting red shiners by suspending a stick at the
surface of the water that I had dipped in Hog Wild catfish stink bait.

I took a stick about three feet long and dipped one end in the Hog Wild jar.
Then I wedged the stick in some rocks so the stinking end was suspended
right in the surface of the water. After a few mintues there were about
thirty little red shiners sucking the stuff of the stick. A dip net quickly
put them in the bait bucket. Repeats of this netted (pun intended) more of
the little guys. After about five or six times they tapered off, but I had
more than enough minnows for the day. In fact I threw most of them back.

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"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
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When I asked about catching minnows in the Ask Lannes forum he suggested
using a ball of congealed blood like form a butcher shop.


http://www.yumabassman.com/cgi-bin/y...m=107967 8474

or

http://tinyurl.com/3culc

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"Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers" wrote in
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"Dale Coleman" wrote in message
s.com...
Hi all, the other day I went down to the local lake and threw out some
bread near the weeds waited a bit then tossed my cast net.

I was surprised to find some nice wild shiners in the net. For some
reason I had thought the lake mostly held bream.

This got me thinking it would not take much to feed and attract many
more shiners.

So my question is what are the best feeds to use that might attract
the shiners but maybe discourage the bream some? What I have observed
is the bream are quick to take bread on the surface but the shiners
seem to like to stay down a bit, does that sound right? Maybe a feed
that sinks would work best???


You might want to try using some dry dog food, or punch some holes in a

can
of dog food, tie a string to it and throw it in. I've heard that's what

the
wild shiner trappers in Florida do.
--
Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers
http://www.outdoorfrontiers.com
G & S Guide Service and Custom Rods
http://www.herefishyfishy.com






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Old May 7th, 2004, 04:06 PM
Charles Summers
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Default Feeding and attracting wild shiners?

There's not much that will not attract the bream, but oatmeal is good for
shiners too.


"Dale Coleman" wrote in message
s.com...
Hi all, the other day I went down to the local lake and threw out some
bread near the weeds waited a bit then tossed my cast net.

I was surprised to find some nice wild shiners in the net. For some
reason I had thought the lake mostly held bream.

This got me thinking it would not take much to feed and attract many
more shiners.

So my question is what are the best feeds to use that might attract
the shiners but maybe discourage the bream some? What I have observed
is the bream are quick to take bread on the surface but the shiners
seem to like to stay down a bit, does that sound right? Maybe a feed
that sinks would work best???

Thanks, DC
--
Dale Colemam



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Old May 7th, 2004, 10:55 PM
Ed Hughes
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Default Feeding and attracting wild shiners?

Just get a minnow trap ( galvanized wire mesh 2 piece ) at Wally's about $9
I think . Then what I did is add a small wire bait box to the inside, to
keep the litle buggers from sucking it out from the outside . or a bait bag
of some kind might work also .
I generally start with just bread .. if that isn't quite enough , or the
minnows are too small add something with garlic or cheese ( even slices of
cheese broken into small enough pieces to fit the bait holder.

Ed


"Dale Coleman" wrote in message
s.com...
Hi all, the other day I went down to the local lake and threw out some
bread near the weeds waited a bit then tossed my cast net.

I was surprised to find some nice wild shiners in the net. For some
reason I had thought the lake mostly held bream.

This got me thinking it would not take much to feed and attract many
more shiners.

So my question is what are the best feeds to use that might attract
the shiners but maybe discourage the bream some? What I have observed
is the bream are quick to take bread on the surface but the shiners
seem to like to stay down a bit, does that sound right? Maybe a feed
that sinks would work best???

Thanks, DC
--
Dale Colemam



  #7  
Old May 8th, 2004, 08:42 AM
Dwayne E. Cooper
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Default Feeding and attracting wild shiners?

On Fri, 07 May 2004 11:03:08 GMT, (Dale Coleman)
wrote:

Hi all, the other day I went down to the local lake and threw out some
bread near the weeds waited a bit then tossed my cast net.

I was surprised to find some nice wild shiners in the net. For some
reason I had thought the lake mostly held bream.

This got me thinking it would not take much to feed and attract many
more shiners.

So my question is what are the best feeds to use that might attract
the shiners but maybe discourage the bream some? What I have observed
is the bream are quick to take bread on the surface but the shiners
seem to like to stay down a bit, does that sound right? Maybe a feed
that sinks would work best???


Lotta guys don't know this..but shiner fishing can be a blast...

My background: Before I started guiding down on Okeechobee back
in the 80's, I researched the shiner industry hot n' heavy and got to
know most of the commercial shiner fishermen and marinas down there.
Basically, I had a list of guys I could count on in case the supply
got low. I also spent a lot of time "every day - mornings are best"
baiting holes and catching shiners...so we had a backup source of
shiners in case the supply was really low that year. (If you are a
guide and don't have shiners...you are pretty much out of business
down there). I'm proud to say that we never ran out of shiners. We
had 2 huge tanks set up at our cabin to hold our reserve shiners. I
had another huge tank in the back of my pickup truck that I used when
I needed to transport shiners (pretty much all the time). Every
morning, I'd usually pick up 10 to 12 dozen fresh shiners daily and
take em' to our boats that were always on a slip in the rim canal.
This was always done before we did the last minute marina stop (for
coffee, snacks and whatever) and last minute update of the weather
report.

Want to catch your own supply of shiners? From a guy who's
caught thousands of shiners (by rod and net)...here's how:

1. Pick 5 likely spots to target shiners. (ie. opening of small
trails/ditches, outside edge of eelgrass/pads) and bait these
spots with a healthy scoop or two of hog feed (higher protein than
dogfood and won't float away - trust me, don't use dog food!). If you
can't find hog feed (try your local Co-Op)...any other feed with high
percentage of protein will work (as long as it doesn't float).

2. Wait at least 1 day (2 days preferred) and come back and throw out
a small handful of oats in the area. Wait 5 minutes and watch the
water for signs of activity.

3. Use a 10' cast net and toss out. It takes a long
time to get this down right... Practice like crazy before hand bc you
have to make your 1st cast count!

OR

3. To catch by pole: Boil up some spaghetti and roll it in the
smallest of balls (no bigger than 3/16th of an inch in diameter). Put
it on the smallest of long shank hooks...I'm thinking at least a #14
or #16...smaller if you can find em'... Use a long crappie rod
(longer the better so you don't scare em'...14' foot is fine) with the
smallest bobber available (no bigger than a 1/2 inch in diameter).
When the bobber just barely starts to move downward...gently lif
upward and toward your boat. (Do not set the hook! Just lift the rod
slightly and swing into the bank/boat. The swing should land on the
bank or boat). 2 guys can get 4 to 6 dozen in an hour or two if they
know what they are doing.

Don't worry about the bluegill, catsigh and bass that will frequent
your shiner holes. There's nothing you can do about that except catch
em!

--
Dwayne E. Cooper, Atty at Law
Indianapolis, IN
Email:

Web Page:
http://www.cooperlegalservices.com
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  #8  
Old May 8th, 2004, 11:27 AM
Dale Coleman
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Default Feeding and attracting wild shiners?

On Fri, 07 May 2004 21:55:43 GMT, "Ed Hughes"
wrote:

Just get a minnow trap ( galvanized wire mesh 2 piece ) at Wally's about $9
I think . Then what I did is add a small wire bait box to the inside, to
keep the litle buggers from sucking it out from the outside . or a bait bag
of some kind might work also .
I generally start with just bread .. if that isn't quite enough , or the
minnows are too small add something with garlic or cheese ( even slices of
cheese broken into small enough pieces to fit the bait holder.

Ed


Hi Ed and the group, I think there may be some confusion over the type
of Shiner I'm trying to catch. They are called the Golden Shiner and
grow to over 12 inches long. Even the smaller ones that I'm trying to
catch for bass bait are much too big for a minnow trap.

Using a cast net is the best way to catch them.

A multi hook poll will also work in some areas but every time I tried
it the bream would get there first.

Even with the cast net I'm still running about 4 bream to each shiner
but when you make a nice cast and get 40 fish in the net the numbers
don't look so bad ;-)

Thanks, DC


"Dale Coleman" wrote in message
ws.com...
Hi all, the other day I went down to the local lake and threw out some
bread near the weeds waited a bit then tossed my cast net.

I was surprised to find some nice wild shiners in the net. For some
reason I had thought the lake mostly held bream.

This got me thinking it would not take much to feed and attract many
more shiners.

So my question is what are the best feeds to use that might attract
the shiners but maybe discourage the bream some? What I have observed
is the bream are quick to take bread on the surface but the shiners
seem to like to stay down a bit, does that sound right? Maybe a feed
that sinks would work best???

Thanks, DC
--
Dale Colemam



--
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  #9  
Old May 8th, 2004, 03:23 PM
Joe Z
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Default Feeding and attracting wild shiners?

Ok may I be the first to suggest Dwayne's post be added to the FAQ. Dwayne
you could good give attorney's a good name. ;-) Sorry, could not resist.
When I lived on the Otter Tail River in Minnesota I used to catch Redtail
Chubs similar to your item 3. They are the Minnesota version of fishing with
big shiners. In fact when Al Lindner was on the BASS trail in the early days
before artificial only, he took the back seat out of an old Chevy and put a
stock tank in with a homemade aeration system to carry Redtails down south.
(Rich Z am I correct?) Joe Z.

"Dwayne E. Cooper" wrote in message
...
Lotta guys don't know this..but shiner fishing can be a blast...

My background: Before I started guiding down on Okeechobee back
in the 80's, I researched the shiner industry hot n' heavy and got to
know most of the commercial shiner fishermen and marinas down there.
Basically, I had a list of guys I could count on in case the supply
got low. I also spent a lot of time "every day - mornings are best"
baiting holes and catching shiners...so we had a backup source of
shiners in case the supply was really low that year. (If you are a
guide and don't have shiners...you are pretty much out of business
down there). I'm proud to say that we never ran out of shiners. We
had 2 huge tanks set up at our cabin to hold our reserve shiners. I
had another huge tank in the back of my pickup truck that I used when
I needed to transport shiners (pretty much all the time). Every
morning, I'd usually pick up 10 to 12 dozen fresh shiners daily and
take em' to our boats that were always on a slip in the rim canal.
This was always done before we did the last minute marina stop (for
coffee, snacks and whatever) and last minute update of the weather
report.

Want to catch your own supply of shiners? From a guy who's
caught thousands of shiners (by rod and net)...here's how:

1. Pick 5 likely spots to target shiners. (ie. opening of small
trails/ditches, outside edge of eelgrass/pads) and bait these
spots with a healthy scoop or two of hog feed (higher protein than
dogfood and won't float away - trust me, don't use dog food!). If you
can't find hog feed (try your local Co-Op)...any other feed with high
percentage of protein will work (as long as it doesn't float).

2. Wait at least 1 day (2 days preferred) and come back and throw out
a small handful of oats in the area. Wait 5 minutes and watch the
water for signs of activity.

3. Use a 10' cast net and toss out. It takes a long
time to get this down right... Practice like crazy before hand bc you
have to make your 1st cast count!

OR

3. To catch by pole: Boil up some spaghetti and roll it in the
smallest of balls (no bigger than 3/16th of an inch in diameter). Put
it on the smallest of long shank hooks...I'm thinking at least a #14
or #16...smaller if you can find em'... Use a long crappie rod
(longer the better so you don't scare em'...14' foot is fine) with the
smallest bobber available (no bigger than a 1/2 inch in diameter).
When the bobber just barely starts to move downward...gently lif
upward and toward your boat. (Do not set the hook! Just lift the rod
slightly and swing into the bank/boat. The swing should land on the
bank or boat). 2 guys can get 4 to 6 dozen in an hour or two if they
know what they are doing.

Don't worry about the bluegill, catsigh and bass that will frequent
your shiner holes. There's nothing you can do about that except catch
em!

--
Dwayne E. Cooper, Atty at Law
Indianapolis, IN
Email:
Web Page:
http://www.cooperlegalservices.com
Personal Fishing Web Page: http://www.hoosierwebsites.com/OnTheWater
Favorite Fishing Web Page: http://www.hoosiertradingpost.com/FishingTackle
1st Annual ROFB Classic Winner


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Old May 8th, 2004, 06:55 PM
Bob La Londe
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Default Feeding and attracting wild shiners?

"Dwayne E. Cooper" wrote in message 3. Use a 10' cast net and toss out.
It takes a long
time to get this down right... Practice like crazy before hand bc you
have to make your 1st cast count!


Check Local regs before using any cast net. 3' radius (6' diameter) is the
largets legal cast net for use in Arizona, and I'm pretty sure they aren't
allowed in California at all.


OR

3. To catch by pole: Boil up some spaghetti and roll it in the
smallest of balls (no bigger than 3/16th of an inch in diameter). Put
it on the smallest of long shank hooks...I'm thinking at least a #14
or #16...smaller if you can find em'... Use a long crappie rod


Again check your local regs. Many states limit the number of hooks you can
use. I have seen guys doing this with pole that have fifteen or twenty
hooks. While effective only two are allowed in Arizona. Check your local
regs.


 




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