Stained water

Over the past few years I have been fishing bass tournaments in Michigan
and Indiana. I have had most of my good days on the water on clear
lakes. I fish mostly tubes and craws and sometimes a strike king seris 6
crankbait in perch pattern. But when it comes to stained water I always
seem to come in empty handed, I try the same baits along with slow
rolling a spinnerbait. What can I do to increase my catch?

Stained water

Group: rec.outdoors.fishing.bass Date: Tue, Jun 20, 2006, 6:41pm (CDT+1)
From: (BIG*FISH*2006)
Over the past few years I have been fishing bass tournaments in Michigan
and Indiana. I have had most of my good days on the water on clear
lakes. I fish mostly tubes and craws and sometimes a strike king seris 6
crankbait in perch pattern. But when it comes to stained water I always
seem to come in empty handed, I try the same baits along with slow
rolling a spinnerbait. What can I do to increase my catch?
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I'm not a "pro", but when I fish stained water, I fish a lot shallower,
and in tight to the cover. Use an action bait, but fish it slower so the
bass can locate it.......I like darker lures in stained water. For what
it's worth .

JK

On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 18:41:10 -0400, (BIG FISH
2006) wrote:

Over the past few years I have been fishing bass tournaments in Michigan
and Indiana. I have had most of my good days on the water on clear
lakes. I fish mostly tubes and craws and sometimes a strike king seris 6
crankbait in perch pattern. But when it comes to stained water I always
seem to come in empty handed, I try the same baits along with slow
rolling a spinnerbait. What can I do to increase my catch?

Move farther north into Michigan or farther south into Kentucky
or Tennessee...:

In all seriousness, it sounds like you've picked up on how to
fish northern waters...but may not have adapted the best to central
and southern waters yet. Geographically speaking, Indiana is a very
long state and there are really 3 different climate zones here and
most bodies of water can be broken into northern Indiana, central
Indiana and southern Indiana. From northern Indiana to central
Michigan, you run across more natural lakes where the waters are
clearer, colder, grassier (on average), less woodier, less creek or
river-oriented and the primary food sources are usually more
baitfish/minnows than crawfish. It's kind of a glacier thing going on
up there and how you go about fishing up there is totally different
(in many ways) than what you need to so in the central and southern
regions. (See the Al Lindner series - ie. Largemouth Bass, Smallmouth
Bass: An In-Fisherman Handbook of Strategies that really do a good job
of explaining different water types.)

When you fish southern Indiana waters, you often are looking at
murkier, warmer, less grass, woodier, more creek or river-oriented
with primary food sources being usually more crawfish than
baitfish/minnows. In other words (and taking a page from Harry n'
Charlie), leave the skimpy spinning gear with 6 pound test and 4"
noodle worms and hairjigs behind and bring your 7' 1/2" flipping
sticks armed with big ol' monster jigs or waggly worms and your 5'
1/2" broom handle rods with baitcasting reels for your spinnerbait and
crankbaiting....

For example, I store all my plastic worms in huge ziplock bags
with the exception of 2 "ready to go" worm boxes (just open plastic
containers that can store 20-30 worm bags). One worm box is for clear
water worming (smaller, more straight worms, purple/greens, blues,
browns OR otherwise known as junebug, watermellon, pumpklinseed) and
another box is for more murky water worming (larger, wider tails, red
shad, chartreuse tipped). Before I go on a certain kind of water, I
know I can leave certain colors of crankbait boxes behind. I break my
crankbait boxes into six basic colors: 1) whites, 2) baby bass
(greens), 3) chartreuse, 4) firetigers, 5) orange/crawfish, and 6)
chromes. For example, if I'm hitting a northern Indiana natural lake
next weekend, I know I can leave chartreuse and firetigers behind.
Plus, I know I'm not likely to throw any chrome. (To guarantee I
don't screw myself, I'll carry just a few of the colors I'm not
bringing in mass in a small Plano plastic stoway (ie. Plano 2-3700).

If I'm fishing smallmouth rivers, I've got a worm bag that is
devoted to that kind of fishing (ie. tubes, small worms) and small
crankbait boxes for smallmouth colors (ie. chartreuse, crawfish, etc).
If I'm fishing largemouth rivers, I've got certain plastics and cranks
that I'm thinking of. Same goes with spinners, buzzers, etc..

Seems to me we had some posts on this subject a few years back
where many threw up some different fishing situations/factors that
make you change techniques or how ya go about things:

1. Region of country body of water is located in? (southern Florida
vs. central Indiana)
2. Natural or Manmade body of water? (Wawasee/Tippecanoe vs.
Monroe/Patoka/Brookville)
3. Pond, Lake, Creek or River?
4. Highland (usually steeper banks and hillier) or lowland (usually
flatter)? (ie. Dale Hollow vs. Kentucky/Barkley)
5. Deep or shallow (ie. Dale Hollow vs. Kentucky/Barkley)
6. Water clarity: Clear, Murky or Muddy? (Wawasee vs. Monroe vs. Ohio
River)
7. Predominant structu Wood, Grass, Rock (Ohio River vs. Wawasee
vs. St. Jospeh River)
8. Predominant forage and secondary forage: Shad (type), Crawfish or
Other
9. Stable or Variant level of water (ie. tidal, flood control)
10. Stagnant or Moving water (Monroe vs.Tennesee River)
11. Size of water (ie. Okeechobee vs. Wawasee)
12. Degree and type of pressure (ie. lakes near Atlanta vs. lakes in
boondocks of Alabama/Mississippi OR jetskiers vs. other bassboats)
13. Level of pollution/runoff (Chicago sewage/industrial drainage vs.
Southern Indiana farmland nutrient or insecticide or fertilizer
runoff)
14. Animal activity in body of water (birds? turtles? muskrats?
snakes? deer? etc)
15. Season (ie. early pre-spawn, pre-spawn, spawn, immediate
post-spawn, post-spawn, summer, early fall, fall, late fall, winter)
16. Weather: Sun, Cloudy, Rain, Wind, etc...

17-100 - Others?

These things really come into play and 1 situation or factor
often completely changes the way I fish a body of water.

--
Dwayne E. Cooper, Atty at Law
Indianapolis, IN
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BIG FISH 2006 wrote:
Over the past few years I have been fishing bass tournaments in Michigan
and Indiana. I have had most of my good days on the water on clear
lakes. I fish mostly tubes and craws and sometimes a strike king seris 6
crankbait in perch pattern. But when it comes to stained water I always
seem to come in empty handed, I try the same baits along with slow
rolling a spinnerbait. What can I do to increase my catch?

When I hear "stained" i'm thinking water that has a little color to it,
but isn't really muddy. I'm thinking you can just about see the bottom
in say 5 to 6 feet of water? For this type of condition, I like a
Spinnerbait in dark colors with a single colorado blade. I also like
senkos, plastic worms, jigs and creature baits fished tight to cover in
colors like black/blue, black/red (red shad). black/chartruce,
black/brown, or brown and brown with blue, red, or chartruce. I
haven't had much success with greenish lures like watermelon ot green
pumpkin in stained or murky water. I have much better success with
those colors in clear water.

-Zimmy

Zimmy,

5 or 6' Vis a little colored ?? :-)... That is considered gin clear on
Winnebago...hahaha.... Before the Zebra Mussels, 1'vis and less was the
norm. Goto baits were Spinnerbait (White most of the time), with a BIG
colorado blade, and then a Texas Craw Color 3/8 or bigger Jig with a Big
Claw Trailer :-D. I still opt for that Jig when conditions get tough.
Now when we drop below a couple feet of vis, it usually means tough
conditions, stirred up water, debris, Algae bloom, etc. So slowing down
(sometimes) becomes the key. Rattle Trap (Pick your brand, yozuri
rattln vibe are nice), Buzzbait, and spinnerbait are great for searching
dirty water quick.

Chris
Zimmy wrote:
BIG FISH 2006 wrote:
Over the past few years I have been fishing bass tournaments in Michigan
and Indiana. I have had most of my good days on the water on clear
lakes. I fish mostly tubes and craws and sometimes a strike king seris 6
crankbait in perch pattern. But when it comes to stained water I always
seem to come in empty handed, I try the same baits along with slow
rolling a spinnerbait. What can I do to increase my catch?

When I hear "stained" i'm thinking water that has a little color to it,
but isn't really muddy. I'm thinking you can just about see the bottom
in say 5 to 6 feet of water? For this type of condition, I like a
Spinnerbait in dark colors with a single colorado blade. I also like
senkos, plastic worms, jigs and creature baits fished tight to cover in
colors like black/blue, black/red (red shad). black/chartruce,
black/brown, or brown and brown with blue, red, or chartruce. I
haven't had much success with greenish lures like watermelon ot green
pumpkin in stained or murky water. I have much better success with
those colors in clear water.

-Zimmy

Chris Rennert wrote:
Zimmy,

5 or 6' Vis a little colored ?? :-)... That is considered gin clear on
Winnebago...hahaha.... Before the Zebra Mussels, 1'vis and less was the
norm. Goto baits were Spinnerbait (White most of the time), with a BIG
colorado blade, and then a Texas Craw Color 3/8 or bigger Jig with a Big
Claw Trailer :-D. I still opt for that Jig when conditions get tough.
Now when we drop below a couple feet of vis, it usually means tough
conditions, stirred up water, debris, Algae bloom, etc. So slowing down
(sometimes) becomes the key. Rattle Trap (Pick your brand, yozuri
rattln vibe are nice), Buzzbait, and spinnerbait are great for searching
dirty water quick.

I figured everyone would have their own definition of "Stained" Blue
Marsh lake is down right dingy, visibility ranges fron an inch or 2 to
about a foot. Some of the smaller lakes around here have visibility
around 3 to 5 feet. Some lakes in the Poconos I've fish are so clear
you can see the bottom 10 or 15 feet down.

-Zimmy