Long tapered leaders

Has anyone had success turning over flies with long tapered
leaders?
Currently I'm using 4x 9' knotless tapered leaders with 18"
5x tippet material and been having good success turning over
18-16 size flies. I'm now planning to try 12' leaders with an 18"
5x tippet material. I'm thinking however the leaders don't
necessarily have to be knotless.
Any good formulas for 12' leaders for delicate presentation?
Keep in mind I do want to use 18" tippet material.
thanks,
-tom

On Fri, 8 Feb 2008 13:05:33 -0800, "Tom Nakashima"
wrote:

Currently I'm using 4x 9' knotless tapered leaders with 18"
5x tippet material and been having good success turning over
18-16 size flies. I'm now planning to try 12' leaders with an 18"
5x tippet material.

Why do you want to go to 12' leaders, Tom.

Tom Nakashima wrote:
Has anyone had success turning over flies with long tapered
leaders?
Currently I'm using 4x 9' knotless tapered leaders with 18"
5x tippet material and been having good success turning over
18-16 size flies. I'm now planning to try 12' leaders with an 18"
5x tippet material. I'm thinking however the leaders don't
necessarily have to be knotless.
Any good formulas for 12' leaders for delicate presentation?
Keep in mind I do want to use 18" tippet material.
thanks,
-tom



I don't like using a leader that's much longer than my rod, or at least
not longer than I can stow by wrapping it around the reel, with the fly
hooked into a convenient guide. I don't want the line/leader connection
to get past the tip guide.

In rare spring-creek conditions it might be necessary, but not usually.

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"Tom Nakashima" wrote

Any good formulas for 12' leaders for delicate presentation?


Add more BUTT to the 9 footer you like, don't change the taper or tippet
( there is a slight chance that you will need to make the added butt
stiffer, too )

"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message
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On Fri, 8 Feb 2008 13:05:33 -0800, "Tom Nakashima"
wrote:

Currently I'm using 4x 9' knotless tapered leaders with 18"
5x tippet material and been having good success turning over
18-16 size flies. I'm now planning to try 12' leaders with an 18"
5x tippet material.

Why do you want to go to 12' leaders, Tom.

Yes,
I've been asked that many times. I can throw 9' leaders with a nice
turnover of the fly, and now I would like to try 12' leaders. For one,
see if I can turn over a #16 fly at 12' 18", and if I ever needed to do
so to leader shy trout.
I have a feeling you're going to tell me, that would never be the case.
-tom

"rw" wrote



In rare spring-creek conditions it might be necessary, but not usually.



My 'typical' spring creek leader is about 10 foot including tippet ....
sometimes I go to 7 foot or less, to get back into undercut banks and
overhanging grass ..... the only time I go longer is if it is impossible
to cast from any place except directly down stream and conditions favor
'spooky' fish ( bright sun ) .... then I cut off the taper of my standard
leader, blood knot a new one onto the long BUTT left behind, put down the
fish in question anyway, then revert back to a standard leader by cutting
off and saving the 'new leader' and re-tying on the reserved 'old leader'
..... and move on G


P.S. I never buy a bright colored fly line for spring creek use ... if
your line is fluorescent orange you may need an extra long leader to
overcome that handicap

"rw" wrote in message
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Tom Nakashima wrote:
Has anyone had success turning over flies with long tapered
leaders?
Currently I'm using 4x 9' knotless tapered leaders with 18"
5x tippet material and been having good success turning over
18-16 size flies. I'm now planning to try 12' leaders with an 18"
5x tippet material. I'm thinking however the leaders don't
necessarily have to be knotless.
Any good formulas for 12' leaders for delicate presentation?
Keep in mind I do want to use 18" tippet material.
thanks,
-tom



I don't like using a leader that's much longer than my rod, or at least
not longer than I can stow by wrapping it around the reel, with the fly
hooked into a convenient guide. I don't want the line/leader connection to
get past the tip guide.

In rare spring-creek conditions it might be necessary, but not usually.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

Yes, I have read the same about the leader not much longer than the rod.
I'm currently throwing the 9' leaders 18" tippet with an 8' bamboo fly-rod.
-tom

"Tom Nakashima" wrote in message
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"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message
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On Fri, 8 Feb 2008 13:05:33 -0800, "Tom Nakashima"
wrote:

Currently I'm using 4x 9' knotless tapered leaders with 18"
5x tippet material and been having good success turning over
18-16 size flies. I'm now planning to try 12' leaders with an 18"
5x tippet material.

Why do you want to go to 12' leaders, Tom.

Yes,
I've been asked that many times. I can throw 9' leaders with a nice
turnover of the fly, and now I would like to try 12' leaders. For one,
see if I can turn over a #16 fly at 12' 18", and if I ever needed to do
so to leader shy trout.
I have a feeling you're going to tell me, that would never be the case.
-tom


Now tom, be honest....it has nothing to do with shy trout....you just want
to fish with a longer leader!

good luck!

john

"Tom Nakashima" wrote

Any good formulas for 12' leaders for delicate presentation?



Tom,

I just remembered that RIO makes a very nice 15 foot ( I think, maybe 16 )
leader they market as "Spring Creek" .... I've used it on Hebgen ( tougher
conditions than most on spring creeks ) and it handles very nicely straight
from the package ...

On Fri, 8 Feb 2008 13:52:53 -0800, "Tom Nakashima"
wrote:

I have a feeling you're going to tell me, that would never be the case.

G

No, you will surely run into leader shy fish. I just don't think you
will need a 12 foot leader for them, however. I'll get flamed for
saying this, but a 7 1/2 foot 5x leader with 18 inches of 6x
fluorocarbon tippet would work just as well. Or even a 6x leader with
7x FC. FC sinks, true enough, but I have had no trouble floating
small flies with it, and because it does sink I think that is a
positive thing. Some will say that FC is too stiff to turn over a
fly, but I have never had that trouble.

Dave