NEFF Banning

Apparently, once one is ban from NEFF, no matter what the banned date is,
one is banned forever.

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"vBulletin Message
You have been banned for the following reason:
Personal attack - keep that crap on the usenet

Date the ban will be lifted: 08-05-2008, 08:00 AM"

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Yep, 'ol Dennis the Menace is a man of virtue, honor, and integrety.

Op --of course the I have been plotting big trouble for moose and
squirrel!--

On Aug 8, 5:26*pm, "Opus--Mark H. Bowen" wrote:
Apparently, once one is ban from NEFF, no matter what the banned date is,
one is banned forever.

************************************************** ********
"vBulletin Message
You have been banned for the following reason:
Personal attack - keep that crap on the usenet

Date the ban will be lifted: 08-05-2008, 08:00 AM"

************************************************** *******

Yep, 'ol Dennis the Menace is a man of virtue, honor, and integrety.

Op *--of course the I have been plotting big trouble for moose and
squirrel!--

You would probably get banned from any sensible board. Quite rightly
so if your only reason for going there is to launch personal attacks.

Learn that frrm Fortenberry did you? Or is it just one of your many
talents?

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On Aug 8, 5:26 pm, "Opus--Mark H. Bowen" wrote:
Apparently, once one is ban from NEFF, no matter what the banned date is,
one is banned forever.

************************************************** ********
"vBulletin Message
You have been banned for the following reason:
Personal attack - keep that crap on the usenet

Date the ban will be lifted: 08-05-2008, 08:00 AM"

************************************************** *******

Yep, 'ol Dennis the Menace is a man of virtue, honor, and integrety.

Op --of course the I have been plotting big trouble for moose and
squirrel!--

You would probably get banned from any sensible board.

Thus the reason I don't frequent moderated groups, boards, or forums. Of
course, I'm not a thin-skinned whiney **** like yourself.

Also, I am not the one who has developed an obsessive compulsive disorder
over simple on-line arguments, but yu have!
http://www.ocdcenter.org/?gclid=CIPm...FQ8ZgQodNg5qwg

Quite rightly so if your only reason for going there is to launch personal
attacks.

And I fully expected it to happen, no skin off my nose, as I don't live in
or near NJ, and don't care about their fishing, at present.

What I was alluding to with my post was the date the ban was supposed to
have ended, which it did not.

Now get a life and a mental health professional, soon Mike!

Learn that frrm Fortenberry did you? Or is it just one of your many
talents?

Oh and by the way, it´s "from", but I´m not at all surprised an illiterate
Nazi, like yourself
can´t spell it.

Op

On Aug 9, 4:26*pm, "Opus--Mark H. Bowen" wrote:
wrote in message

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On Aug 8, 5:26 pm, "Opus--Mark H. Bowen" wrote:



Apparently, once one is ban from NEFF, no matter what the banned date is,
one is banned forever.

************************************************** ********
"vBulletin Message
You have been banned for the following reason:
Personal attack - keep that crap on the usenet

Date the ban will be lifted: 08-05-2008, 08:00 AM"

************************************************** *******

Yep, 'ol Dennis the Menace is a man of virtue, honor, and integrety.

Op --of course the I have been plotting big trouble for moose and
squirrel!--

You would probably get banned from any sensible board.

Thus the reason I don't frequent moderated groups, boards, or forums. *Of
course, I'm not a thin-skinned whiney **** like yourself.

Also, I am not the one who has developed an obsessive compulsive disorder
over simple on-line arguments, but yu have!http://www.ocdcenter.org/?gclid=CIPm...FQ8ZgQodNg5qwg

Quite rightly so if your only reason for going there is to launch personal
attacks.

And I fully expected it to happen, no skin off my nose, as I don't live in
or near NJ, and don't care about their fishing, at present.

What I was alluding to with my post was the date the ban was supposed to
have ended, which it did not.

Now get a life and a mental health professional, soon Mike!

Learn that frrm Fortenberry did you? Or is it just one of your many
talents?

Oh and by the way, it´s "from", but I´m not at all surprised an illiterate
Nazi, like yourself
can´t spell it.

Op

Want your name in lights do you? I will be most happy to oblige you.
Also on the German and other boards which Americans frequent.

You are committing a criminal act, also according to your own federal
law, by harassing and defaming me in this manner.

Doubtless you wont learn until you are forced to.

Mike Connor

http://www.mike1.bplaced.net/Wikka/HomePage

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On Aug 9, 4:26 pm, "Opus--Mark H. Bowen" wrote:
wrote in message

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On Aug 8, 5:26 pm, "Opus--Mark H. Bowen" wrote:



Apparently, once one is ban from NEFF, no matter what the banned date
is,
one is banned forever.

************************************************** ********
"vBulletin Message
You have been banned for the following reason:
Personal attack - keep that crap on the usenet

Date the ban will be lifted: 08-05-2008, 08:00 AM"

************************************************** *******

Yep, 'ol Dennis the Menace is a man of virtue, honor, and integrety.

Op --of course the I have been plotting big trouble for moose and
squirrel!--

You would probably get banned from any sensible board.

Thus the reason I don't frequent moderated groups, boards, or forums. Of
course, I'm not a thin-skinned whiney **** like yourself.

Also, I am not the one who has developed an obsessive compulsive disorder
over simple on-line arguments, but yu
have!http://www.ocdcenter.org/?gclid=CIPm...FQ8ZgQodNg5qwg

Quite rightly so if your only reason for going there is to launch personal
attacks.

And I fully expected it to happen, no skin off my nose, as I don't live in
or near NJ, and don't care about their fishing, at present.

What I was alluding to with my post was the date the ban was supposed to
have ended, which it did not.

Now get a life and a mental health professional, soon Mike!

Learn that frrm Fortenberry did you? Or is it just one of your many
talents?

Oh and by the way, it´s "from", but I´m not at all surprised an illiterate
Nazi, like yourself
can´t spell it.

Op

Want your name in lights do you? I will be most happy to oblige you.
Also on the German and other boards which Americans frequent.

You are committing a criminal act, also according to your own federal
law, by harassing and defaming me in this manner.

Doubtless you wont learn until you are forced to.

Mike Connor

What's that Nazi boy? I can't hear you!

Op

On Aug 9, 4:37 pm, "Opus--Mark H. Bowen" wrote:
wrote in message

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On Aug 9, 4:26 pm, "Opus--Mark H. Bowen" wrote:



wrote in message

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On Aug 8, 5:26 pm, "Opus--Mark H. Bowen" wrote:

Apparently, once one is ban from NEFF, no matter what the banned date
is,
one is banned forever.

************************************************** ********
"vBulletin Message
You have been banned for the following reason:
Personal attack - keep that crap on the usenet

Date the ban will be lifted: 08-05-2008, 08:00 AM"

************************************************** *******

Yep, 'ol Dennis the Menace is a man of virtue, honor, and integrety.

Op --of course the I have been plotting big trouble for moose and
squirrel!--

You would probably get banned from any sensible board.

Thus the reason I don't frequent moderated groups, boards, or forums. Of
course, I'm not a thin-skinned whiney **** like yourself.

Also, I am not the one who has developed an obsessive compulsive disorder
over simple on-line arguments, but yu
have!http://www.ocdcenter.org/?gclid=CIPm...FQ8ZgQodNg5qwg

Quite rightly so if your only reason for going there is to launch personal
attacks.

And I fully expected it to happen, no skin off my nose, as I don't live in
or near NJ, and don't care about their fishing, at present.

What I was alluding to with my post was the date the ban was supposed to
have ended, which it did not.

Now get a life and a mental health professional, soon Mike!

Learn that frrm Fortenberry did you? Or is it just one of your many
talents?

Oh and by the way, it$B!-(Bs "from", but I$B!-(Bm not at all surprised an illiterate
Nazi, like yourself
can$B!-(Bt spell it.

Op

Want your name in lights do you? I will be most happy to oblige you.
Also on the German and other boards which Americans frequent.

You are committing a criminal act, also according to your own federal
law, by harassing and defaming me in this manner.

Doubtless you wont learn until you are forced to.

Mike Connor

What's that Nazi boy? I can't hear you!

Op

Ladies and Gentlemen, as some of you may know, I am being subjected to
a campaign of incessant defamation, insults, and lies, in a number of
places, all originating and fuelled by the International Public
Newsgroup ROFF rec.outdoors.fishing.fly

The ringleader of this campaign, who for reasons known only to himself
is doing his level best to destroy my reputation and cause me
considerable distress. is Kenneth Fortenberry. It seems I have
exhausted all normal avenues in my efforts to stop his lies and
defamation, but there is little I can do as one man. He is also being
assisted and actively encouraged by others, who I will name here
shortly, with their e-mail addresses, and the abuse desk addresses of
their providers if they continue.

Until such time as I resolve this problem, the rest of this website
will be inaccessible to the public. None of the links will work. If
you wish to see it online again, or you are one of the people I have
helped in the past, I am now requesting you to return the favour. You
may also submit your complaints to the FBI at http://www.ic3.gov/contact/default.aspx$B!g(B
I have already filed such a complaint. If you wish to refer to this
complaint it is

Thank you for filing a complaint with the Internet Crime Complaint
Center (IC3). Your complaint has been successfully submitted. Please
retain the following information for future contacts with the IC3:
Complaint Id: I0808091045131811

Fortenberry$B!-(Bs e-mail address is

Please address your complaints to the abuse desk at
You may also of course address complaints to the
newsgroup itself, this might at least help to inform some of the
inmates of the seriousness of the matter.

Please don$B!-(Bt send me any more e-mail, I cant answer it all, and it is
merely filling my e-mail boxes.

Thank you for your cooperation and assistance

Mike Connor

http://www.mike1.bplaced.net/Wikka/HomePage

On Aug 8, 11:26*pm, "Opus--Mark H. Bowen"
wrote:
Apparently, once one is ban from NEFF, no matter what the banned date is,
one is banned forever.

************************************************** ********
"vBulletin Message
You have been banned for the following reason:
Personal attack - keep that crap on the usenet

Date the ban will be lifted: 08-05-2008, 08:00 AM"

************************************************** *******

Yep, 'ol Dennis the Menace is a man of virtue, honor, and integrety.

Op *--of course the I have been plotting big trouble for moose and
squirrel!--

I would assume that, if you chose to post there, you could create a
new yahoo account and give that as your email addy.

FWIW, after his off-the-cuff attack, Dennis emailed me personally and
made an offer to bury the hatchet. Sort of a strange guy, that
Dennis.

--riverman

On Aug 9, 6:48*am, riverman wrote:
On Aug 8, 11:26*pm, "Opus--Mark H. Bowen"
wrote:



Apparently, once one is ban from NEFF, no matter what the banned date is,
one is banned forever.

************************************************** ********
"vBulletin Message
You have been banned for the following reason:
Personal attack - keep that crap on the usenet

Date the ban will be lifted: 08-05-2008, 08:00 AM"

************************************************** *******

Yep, 'ol Dennis the Menace is a man of virtue, honor, and integrety.

Op *--of course the I have been plotting big trouble for moose and
squirrel!--

I would assume that, if you chose to post there, you could create a
new yahoo account and give that as your email addy.

FWIW, after his off-the-cuff attack, Dennis emailed me personally and
made an offer to bury the hatchet. Sort of a strange guy, that
Dennis.

--riverman

Myron, having spent some time with you, I thought you were a pretty
decent bloke, sensible, talented, and basically just a nice guy.

Can you tell me why you would encourage that stupid asshole to go and
harass somebody on another board? Apart from the fact that your
suggestion of simply getting another account at Yahoo fortunately won
´t work as boards log IP´s.

The stupid ******* went to that the board with the express purpose of
harassing people, and getting banned, and he is also defaming the
board owner here on this board.

If you people had been sensible in the first place, and not allowed
yourselves to be whipped up and manipulated by Fortenberry, none of
this would have occurred.

Something else which I am curious about, as a schoolteacher at an
international school, how can you even take the risk of consorting
with some of the **** on this board?

This group, and many others, are fed all over the place, it is a cheap
way of bumping up the total number of posts and screwing advertisers
for more money.

You did not even stop one board form doing it, much less all the
others, and now you are not only encouraging people to go and harass
the owner, ( if he actually is the owner), but telling them how to go
about it.

WHY?

Mike Connor

On Aug 9, 4:41*pm, wrote:
On Aug 9, 6:48*am, riverman wrote:





On Aug 8, 11:26*pm, "Opus--Mark H. Bowen"
wrote:

Apparently, once one is ban from NEFF, no matter what the banned date is,
one is banned forever.

************************************************** ********
"vBulletin Message
You have been banned for the following reason:
Personal attack - keep that crap on the usenet

Date the ban will be lifted: 08-05-2008, 08:00 AM"

************************************************** *******

Yep, 'ol Dennis the Menace is a man of virtue, honor, and integrety.

Op *--of course the I have been plotting big trouble for moose and
squirrel!--

I would assume that, if you chose to post there, you could create a
new yahoo account and give that as your email addy.

FWIW, after his off-the-cuff attack, Dennis emailed me personally and
made an offer to bury the hatchet. Sort of a strange guy, that
Dennis.

--riverman

Myron, having spent some time with you, I thought you were a pretty
decent bloke, sensible, talented, and basically just a nice guy.

Can you tell me why you would encourage that stupid asshole to go and
harass somebody on another board? *Apart from the fact that your
suggestion of simply getting another account at Yahoo fortunately won
´t work as boards log IP´s.

The stupid ******* went to that the board with the express purpose of
harassing people, and getting banned, and he is also defaming the
board owner here on this board.

If you people had been sensible in the first place, and not allowed
yourselves to be whipped up and manipulated by Fortenberry, none of
this would have occurred.

Something else which I am curious about, as a schoolteacher at an
international school, how can you even take the risk of consorting
with some of the **** on this board?

This group, and many others, are fed all over the place, it is a cheap
way of bumping up the total number of posts and screwing advertisers
for more money.

You did not even stop one board form doing it, much less all the
others, and now you are not only encouraging people to go and harass
the owner, ( if he actually is the owner), but telling them how to go
about it.

WHY?

Mike Connor- Hide quoted text -

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Mike, I'm not encouraging him to go harass folks. If anything, I'm
speaking from a mix of personal desire and reflecting on the
reasonableness of Tom Littleton, who I believe is also banned, as I
am. I wouldn't mind being able to post there, as it seems that some of
the regulars on NEFF seem like pretty reasonable folks with things to
contribute. And being a New Englander, I fish some of the same waters
regularly.

If Op brings a different agenda, then it might be my fault for not
realizing it: I haven't kept up with the hundreds of posts on this
issue in the past week, nor do I keep a accurate mental log of who
says what. However, he has never been a 'stupid asshole' to me, nor do
I inherently think of him that way. I might be wrong on that; time
will certainly tell. :-)

But if anything, my Internationalism tells me that the extremists in
each camp should not be the ones to define the actual gross
relationships. Certainly there were folks in NEFF who enjoyed fanning
the flames, as Ken is prone to do here. But neither Ken nor that bozo
on NEFF should define how the two groups should interact, neither
should the folks who are flaming you define how others here feel about
you. You can count on me, for example, to not jump on any pigpile with
you on the bottom. Although your actions seem extreme and erratic to
me at times, unlike most of the folks here, I know your expertise and
generosity, and find those unassailable. And I can separate behaviors
from the person...you are, and remain, a friend of mine.

Myron

"riverman" wrote in message
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Mike, I'm not encouraging him to go harass folks. If anything, I'm
speaking from a mix of personal desire and reflecting on the
reasonableness of Tom Littleton, who I believe is also banned, as I
am. I wouldn't mind being able to post there, as it seems that some of
the regulars on NEFF seem like pretty reasonable folks with things to
contribute. And being a New Englander, I fish some of the same waters
regularly.


actually, I have never been banned from NEFF(pretty good restraint on their
part, over the first few days). My stuff from here, or ROFFT, is blocked
from publication onto NEFF, at my request. I would echo your comments about
the vast number of NEFF posters.
Tom