pa brookie stream - friday, 4/2/10

Adding to Tom's optimism - my opening day of 2010 was a day before the
official day - unstocked stream, southwestern border of the Poconos -
nobody's ever the
http://www.facebook.com/album.php?ai...6&l=dab75432c0

On Apr 4, 2:06*pm, "mr.rapidan" wrote:


a day before the
official day -

dare we inquire about the legality?

need bail?

G


Larry ( who loved the photos, thanks for sharing )

On Apr 4, 9:50*pm, Larry L wrote:
On Apr 4, 2:06*pm, "mr.rapidan" wrote:

a day before the
official day -

dare we inquire about the legality?

I wonder about that, I guess. But honestly, I always figured if I'm
fishing dry flies, catch and release on an unstocked, wilderness
stream, what difference does the calendar make? I'm properly
licensed.

On Apr 4, 9:08*pm, "dr.narcidan" wrote:
On Apr 4, 9:50*pm, Larry L wrote:

On Apr 4, 2:06*pm, "mr.rapidan" wrote:

a day before the
official day -

dare we inquire about the legality?

I wonder about that, I guess. *But honestly, I always figured if I'm
fishing dry flies, catch and release on an unstocked, wilderness
stream, what difference does the calendar make? *I'm properly
licensed.

Food for years worth of thought and discussion.

What a pity to waste it here.

giles

dr.narcidan wrote:
Larry L wrote:
"mr.rapidan" wrote:
a day before the
official day -

dare we inquire about the legality?

I wonder about that, I guess. But honestly, I always figured if I'm
fishing dry flies, catch and release on an unstocked, wilderness
stream, what difference does the calendar make? I'm properly
licensed.

The calendar makes the difference between poaching and fishing
legally. If I were to see someone poaching I'd be on the cell
phone in a nanosecond to report them to the authorities.

Poaching sucks.

--
Ken Fortenberry

On Apr 4, 10:38*pm, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:
dr.narcidan wrote:
Larry L wrote:
"mr.rapidan" wrote:
a day before the
official day -

dare we inquire about the legality?

I wonder about that, I guess. *But honestly, I always figured if I'm
fishing dry flies, catch and release on an unstocked, wilderness
stream, what difference does the calendar make? *I'm properly
licensed.

The calendar makes the difference between poaching and fishing
legally. If I were to see someone poaching I'd be on the cell
phone in a nanosecond to report them to the authorities.

Poaching sucks.


Hey, Ken - well, it would be funny watching you waiting for a signal
in this little canyon. No E or 3g, either.

But, seriously - I'll check the regs to see if what I'm doing is ok.
But if I'm not taking any out, and if I'm not getting in between the
dude dumping a bunch of hatchery fish into the drink and a father and
daughter team yanking out a 19" palamino a few hours later for the
obligatory newspaper shot, then what am I hurting?

Maybe I pay my license and trout stamp fees so that the hordes stay on
the stocked streams, filling buckets with fish that are still dizzy
from being rounded up out of their hatchery pens, put on a truck, and
then dumped into a stream so I can go do my thing in the wilderness,
even if it's a day early.

It could be like that quip about prostitution - you're not paying for
the sex, you're paying them to leave quietly. I'm not paying for the
right to fish unmanaged, public waters in unmanaged, public lands, I'm
paying to have all those rainbows and browns dumped into easily
accessible waters, to have the stocking schedules published, to keep
people away from the streams I like to fish.

I've never considered what I'm doing poaching. But I suppose most
poachers would say that. I'll find out if flyfishing dry flies on
unstocked, remote streams is regulated the same way as stocked
streams. And if what I'm doing is against regs, I'll talk to my
friends to see if we can figure out the assumptions and
rationalizations we used, long ago, to be comfortable with our
behavior.

On 4/5/10 8:00 AM, dr.narcidan wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
dr.narcidan wrote:
Larry L wrote:
"mr.rapidan" wrote:
a day before the
official day -

dare we inquire about the legality?

I wonder about that, I guess. But honestly, I always figured if I'm
fishing dry flies, catch and release on an unstocked, wilderness
stream, what difference does the calendar make? I'm properly
licensed.

The calendar makes the difference between poaching and fishing
legally. If I were to see someone poaching I'd be on the cell
phone in a nanosecond to report them to the authorities.

Poaching sucks.


Hey, Ken - well, it would be funny watching you waiting for a signal
in this little canyon. No E or 3g, either.

But, seriously - I'll check the regs to see if what I'm doing is ok.
But if I'm not taking any out, and if I'm not getting in between the
dude dumping a bunch of hatchery fish into the drink and a father and
daughter team yanking out a 19" palamino a few hours later for the
obligatory newspaper shot, then what am I hurting?

Maybe I pay my license and trout stamp fees so that the hordes stay on
the stocked streams, filling buckets with fish that are still dizzy
from being rounded up out of their hatchery pens, put on a truck, and
then dumped into a stream so I can go do my thing in the wilderness,
even if it's a day early.

It could be like that quip about prostitution - you're not paying for
the sex, you're paying them to leave quietly. I'm not paying for the
right to fish unmanaged, public waters in unmanaged, public lands, I'm
paying to have all those rainbows and browns dumped into easily
accessible waters, to have the stocking schedules published, to keep
people away from the streams I like to fish.

I've never considered what I'm doing poaching. But I suppose most
poachers would say that. I'll find out if flyfishing dry flies on
unstocked, remote streams is regulated the same way as stocked
streams. And if what I'm doing is against regs, I'll talk to my
friends to see if we can figure out the assumptions and
rationalizations we used, long ago, to be comfortable with our
behavior.

I don't know about Pennsylvania but fisheries management in
the Midwest includes a closed season so the trout, especially
wild brookies, can spawn and reproduce without angling pressure.
The closed season doesn't have anything to do with hatchery
trucks or hordes or the fact that you bought a trout stamp.

Rationalize all you want but fishing for trout when the trout
season is closed is poaching. Period.

--
Ken Fortenberry

Look, I take this seriously, and the reason I didn't have rules/
reasons at my fingertips is that my friends and I figured out the
rules a long time ago, became comfortable that we were doing the right
thing, and haven't thought about it since. I don't think I'm
poaching.

http://fishandboat.com/fishpub/summa...eleaseffo.html

Now, the creeks I might fish before official opening day aren't on
this list. However, they're not any of the stocked stream lists,
either.

On Sun, 4 Apr 2010 19:08:46 -0700 (PDT), "dr.narcidan" wrote:

On Apr 4, 9:50*pm, Larry L wrote:
On Apr 4, 2:06*pm, "mr.rapidan" wrote:

a day before the
official day -

dare we inquire about the legality?

I wonder about that, I guess. But honestly, I always figured if I'm
fishing dry flies, catch and release on an unstocked, wilderness
stream, what difference does the calendar make? I'm properly
licensed.

Well, you thief! Those aren't _your_ fish, they belong to "the people"/"the
public"...and any mention of the fact that you are one of them there public-like
people will fall on deaf (...and dumb...) ears...

HTH,
R
"...what difference does the calendar make?," indeed...that's just the kind of
unacceptably radical thinking that leads to all sorts of problems...the next
thing you know, all sorts of folks will be thinking they can do whatever they
want with their own ****...

On 04/04/2010 02:06 PM, mr.rapidan wrote:
Adding to Tom's optimism - my opening day of 2010 was a day before the
official day - unstocked stream, southwestern border of the Poconos -
nobody's ever the
http://www.facebook.com/album.php?ai...6&l=dab75432c0

Sounds like you had fun.

Love the red on the adipose fins of the browns. Means
they are wild, which was never in question. Still
like to see it.

-T