Panel of biologists: hatcheries don't benefit wild salmon stocks

May be of interest to those in the PNW:

PORTLAND, OR 2004-03-26 (OPB Radio) - A panel of biologists,
appointed by the federal government to review salmon recovery
efforts, says fish hatcheries are being misused. The
biologists' opinion piece was published in today's issue of
the journal Science.

Rest of OPB story at:

http://tinyurl.com/24r4p

JR

Msnbc had an article on this yesterday....
....a sad sdtate of affairs, no?

john
"JR" wrote in message ...
May be of interest to those in the PNW:

PORTLAND, OR 2004-03-26 (OPB Radio) - A panel of biologists,
appointed by the federal government to review salmon recovery
efforts, says fish hatcheries are being misused. The
biologists' opinion piece was published in today's issue of
the journal Science.

Rest of OPB story at:

http://tinyurl.com/24r4p

JR

Asadi wrote:

Msnbc had an article on this yesterday....
...a sad sdtate of affairs, no?

"JR" wrote

http://tinyurl.com/24r4p

Yes, but at least some straightforward science can expose the situation
and maybe start to turn it around. The saddest part is that properly
managed hatcheries really *could* be a benefit to wild fish.

JR

JR wrote:

Asadi wrote:

Msnbc had an article on this yesterday....
...a sad sdtate of affairs, no?

"JR" wrote

http://tinyurl.com/24r4p


Yes, but at least some straightforward science can expose the situation
and maybe start to turn it around. The saddest part is that properly
managed hatcheries really *could* be a benefit to wild fish.


I disagree. IMO, by carefully managing hatcheries the result can be more
natural, but hatchery produced fish will always be different than
naturally spawned wild fish. Hatcheries are a last resort for restoring
native, wild fish populations.

Willi

Well, yeah, but let's not force ourselves in to using them unnecessarily....

john
"Willi" wrote in message
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JR wrote:

Asadi wrote:

Msnbc had an article on this yesterday....
...a sad sdtate of affairs, no?

"JR" wrote

http://tinyurl.com/24r4p


Yes, but at least some straightforward science can expose the situation
and maybe start to turn it around. The saddest part is that properly
managed hatcheries really *could* be a benefit to wild fish.


I disagree. IMO, by carefully managing hatcheries the result can be more
natural, but hatchery produced fish will always be different than
naturally spawned wild fish. Hatcheries are a last resort for restoring
native, wild fish populations.

Willi

"Willi" wrote in message
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JR wrote:

Asadi wrote:

Msnbc had an article on this yesterday....
...a sad sdtate of affairs, no?

"JR" wrote

http://tinyurl.com/24r4p


Yes, but at least some straightforward science can expose the situation
and maybe start to turn it around. The saddest part is that properly
managed hatcheries really *could* be a benefit to wild fish.


I disagree. IMO, by carefully managing hatcheries the result can be more
natural, but hatchery produced fish will always be different than
naturally spawned wild fish. Hatcheries are a last resort for restoring
native, wild fish populations.

Well, I disagree with both of you. I read the Oregon Public Broadcasting
piece, the "Science" article, a dozen or so of the references cited in the
article, another dozen of the references cited in those, and a smattering of
those that PubMed thought were similar. Any layman.....or any specialist in
any of the disciplines concerned, for that matter.....who thinks he or she
has a firm grasp on the situation has got his or her head firmly planted up
his or her ass. The fish are ****ing doomed......this is what happens to
things that no one gives a **** about. Get over it.

Wolfgang

some more science on the hatchery topic.

http://www.nativefishsociety.org/docs/Biblio/bib.htm
--

jeff
Kamchatka http://home.teleport.com/~salmo/K2000/
NFS http://www.nativefishsociety.org


"Willi" wrote in message
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JR wrote:

Asadi wrote:

Msnbc had an article on this yesterday....
...a sad sdtate of affairs, no?

"JR" wrote

http://tinyurl.com/24r4p


Yes, but at least some straightforward science can expose the situation
and maybe start to turn it around. The saddest part is that properly
managed hatcheries really *could* be a benefit to wild fish.


I disagree. IMO, by carefully managing hatcheries the result can be more
natural, but hatchery produced fish will always be different than
naturally spawned wild fish. Hatcheries are a last resort for restoring
native, wild fish populations.

Willi

Hi,

The part that got my attention was:
"A federal judge in Eugene ruled three years ago that the Fisheries
Service had to count hatchery fish when it evaluated the strength of
salmon stocks. That caused Oregon Coastal Coho salmon to be removed
from the threatened species list."

The Atlantic Salmon here in Nova Scotia is so low that almost every
river here is "stock enhanced" - meaning that a portion of the
"naturally" returning salmon are intercepted and stripped of eggs and
milt, and then the hatchery plants the eggs or very young of these
"wild" fish and places them into the river. This has worked very well,
and the Margaree bears the proof of this. The North River is the only
other river in the Province that meets production escapement numbers
sufficient to ensure the speices survives, and it does it without the
"enhancement", but the river is much more remote than the Margaree.

The Atlantic Salmon is an endangered fish, if they ever forced the
feds up here to count the released hatchery fish as part of the
bio-mass, then it's game over for these fish, and would be just
another reason the feds could deny funding...


A sad story, indeed.

Bill
http://www.tightlines.ca

Oh. . . Well. . . Okay.

john


...but if it's not too late, Could I make it a cheeeeeseburger?


"Wolfgang" wrote in message
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"Willi" wrote in message
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JR wrote:

Asadi wrote:

Msnbc had an article on this yesterday....
...a sad sdtate of affairs, no?

"JR" wrote

http://tinyurl.com/24r4p


Yes, but at least some straightforward science can expose the
situation
and maybe start to turn it around. The saddest part is that properly
managed hatcheries really *could* be a benefit to wild fish.


I disagree. IMO, by carefully managing hatcheries the result can be more
natural, but hatchery produced fish will always be different than
naturally spawned wild fish. Hatcheries are a last resort for restoring
native, wild fish populations.

Well, I disagree with both of you. I read the Oregon Public Broadcasting
piece, the "Science" article, a dozen or so of the references cited in the
article, another dozen of the references cited in those, and a smattering
of
those that PubMed thought were similar. Any layman.....or any specialist
in
any of the disciplines concerned, for that matter.....who thinks he or she
has a firm grasp on the situation has got his or her head firmly planted
up
his or her ass. The fish are ****ing doomed......this is what happens to
things that no one gives a **** about. Get over it.

Wolfgang

"Asadi" wrote in message
ink.net...
Oh. . . Well. . . Okay.

john


..but if it's not too late, Could I make it a cheeeeeseburger?

Sure, no problem........but it's gonna cost you two fish.

Wolfgang