Concerns about Bullhead and Brook Trout

Hello, I should probably start off by saying where I'm from. I live in New
Brunswick, Canada. I was fishing for brook trout today in a stream not too
far from my house and as soon as I got to one of the pools, I noticed some
considerably larger fish (1.5 to 2 feet long) swimming near the bottom of a
section that's about 6 or 7 feet deep. Anyway, my first reaction was, "man,
if those are trout, I want them." On closer inspection, I noticed the
barbels on the chins, fin arrangement, etc. and I think they're brown
bullheads, which are native to NB. Anyway, they didn't move much and I even
dragged my hook across one of them and it barely flinched. My
concern/question is the fact that they're living in a stream that hasn't
(it's been a few years since I've visited this particular stream) had
bullheads in it and the fact that the temp. requirements for trout and
bullheads are considerably different, could it be that the stream is warming
up? The river that the stream flows into has smallmouth bass showing further
up the river than normal as well. It used to be that it only had bass near
the mouth of it, as it flows into a larger river.

I was also under the impression (I've never fished catfish before) that
they'd be attracted to similar bait used for brook trout. I'm using worms
with a sinker. Anyway, none of them seemed the least bit interested..
probably because of the time of day though (around 3 pm). What time are good
to fish for them and with what bait?

Anyway, not sure if anyone's got any input on this or not. I just figured
I'd throw it out to see what people's opinions might be. Thanks.

Mark Currie

Mark Currie wrote:
Hello, I should probably start off by saying where I'm from. I live in New
Brunswick, Canada. I was fishing for brook trout today in a stream not too
far from my house and as soon as I got to one of the pools, I noticed some
considerably larger fish (1.5 to 2 feet long) swimming near the bottom of a
section that's about 6 or 7 feet deep. Anyway, my first reaction was, "man,
if those are trout, I want them." On closer inspection, I noticed the
barbels on the chins, fin arrangement, etc. and I think they're brown
bullheads, which are native to NB. Anyway, they didn't move much and I even
dragged my hook across one of them and it barely flinched. My
concern/question is the fact that they're living in a stream that hasn't
(it's been a few years since I've visited this particular stream) had
bullheads in it and the fact that the temp. requirements for trout and
bullheads are considerably different, could it be that the stream is warming
up? The river that the stream flows into has smallmouth bass showing further
up the river than normal as well. It used to be that it only had bass near
the mouth of it, as it flows into a larger river.

I was also under the impression (I've never fished catfish before) that
they'd be attracted to similar bait used for brook trout. I'm using worms
with a sinker. Anyway, none of them seemed the least bit interested..
probably because of the time of day though (around 3 pm). What time are good
to fish for them and with what bait?

Anyway, not sure if anyone's got any input on this or not. I just figured
I'd throw it out to see what people's opinions might be. Thanks.

Mark Currie



How do you know they are Bullheads? Bullheads seldom exceed 18 inches
and usually run around 12-14 inches at 1-2 pounds. I believe but am not
sure that Florida holds the record Bullhead at a little over 5 pounds
which is the exception, not the rule. Bullheads eat Insects, plants,
carrion, small fish, snails, crayfish, worms and leeches. Baits often
used for Bullheads are chicken livers, worms, doughballs, small bucktail
or plastic tail jigs. I have on rare occasions caught small catfish in
high elevation lakes that were home to trout. Didn't seem to bother the
trout population.

Jerry

Could they be mudsuckers? I don't know what the actual name for these are as
we always called them mudsuckers and I don't know how big they get but we've
caught some big ones and they usually stay right at the bottom and don't
move much or bite on our bait.

Dre

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Hello, I should probably start off by saying where I'm from. I live in New
Brunswick, Canada. I was fishing for brook trout today in a stream not too
far from my house and as soon as I got to one of the pools, I noticed some
considerably larger fish (1.5 to 2 feet long) swimming near the bottom of
a
section that's about 6 or 7 feet deep. Anyway, my first reaction was,
"man,
if those are trout, I want them." On closer inspection, I noticed the
barbels on the chins, fin arrangement, etc. and I think they're brown
bullheads, which are native to NB. Anyway, they didn't move much and I
even
dragged my hook across one of them and it barely flinched. My
concern/question is the fact that they're living in a stream that hasn't
(it's been a few years since I've visited this particular stream) had
bullheads in it and the fact that the temp. requirements for trout and
bullheads are considerably different, could it be that the stream is
warming
up? The river that the stream flows into has smallmouth bass showing
further
up the river than normal as well. It used to be that it only had bass near
the mouth of it, as it flows into a larger river.

I was also under the impression (I've never fished catfish before) that
they'd be attracted to similar bait used for brook trout. I'm using worms
with a sinker. Anyway, none of them seemed the least bit interested..
probably because of the time of day though (around 3 pm). What time are
good
to fish for them and with what bait?

Anyway, not sure if anyone's got any input on this or not. I just figured
I'd throw it out to see what people's opinions might be. Thanks.

Mark Currie

Anyway, not sure if anyone's got any input on this or not. I just figured
I'd throw it out to see what people's opinions might be. Thanks.

Mark Currie


Well, I went back tonight and I think I've got it solved. I feel kind of
stupid for this, but I'm positive they're white suckers (Catostomus
commersoni). The caudal fin is forked and the back is a gold/brassy colour
with silver sides/underside.

Anyway, thanks to the couple of people that replied. I guess yesterday I got
too caught up on trying to get a good picture of a young beaver swimming
around than actually identifying the fish.

Thanks again,

Mark Currie

Aaah... thanks for clarifying. I caught a few that looked similar to that a
few weeks ago but the ones I caught basically looked like huge whitefish. I
don't think it was the same thing because they had a lot of red on them and
the one you mention doesn't have any red.

Dre

"Mark Currie" wrote in message
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Anyway, not sure if anyone's got any input on this or not. I just
figured
I'd throw it out to see what people's opinions might be. Thanks.

Mark Currie


Well, I went back tonight and I think I've got it solved. I feel kind of
stupid for this, but I'm positive they're white suckers (Catostomus
commersoni). The caudal fin is forked and the back is a gold/brassy colour
with silver sides/underside.

Anyway, thanks to the couple of people that replied. I guess yesterday I
got
too caught up on trying to get a good picture of a young beaver swimming
around than actually identifying the fish.

Thanks again,

Mark Currie