Why I hate beaked hooks

Because too often, they grab the tiniest bite before the beak leads the
point back out of the skin/meat whatever, and you end up with a very
precariously hooked fish.

Of course this photo could also be used to illustrate why I NEVER use
multiple hooksets. No way you know if the first set it something like this,
in which case the 2nd set is 99% sure to just rip it free.

http://www.richz.com/fishing/images/no_beaks_for_me.jpg

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1) What is a "beaked" hook?

2) I can think of a whole bunch of timers I wish I'd set the hook a second
time but didn't.

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"RichZ" wrote in message
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Because too often, they grab the tiniest bite before the beak leads the
point back out of the skin/meat whatever, and you end up with a very
precariously hooked fish.

Of course this photo could also be used to illustrate why I NEVER use
multiple hooksets. No way you know if the first set it something like
this,
in which case the 2nd set is 99% sure to just rip it free.

http://www.richz.com/fishing/images/no_beaks_for_me.jpg

RichZ©
www.richz.com/fishing

Go-bassn wrote:
What is a "beaked" hook?

Where the tip points slightly back toward the shank.

I can think of a whole bunch of timers I wish I'd set the hook a second
time but didn't.

I can't think of one. Don't make the mistake of assuming just because you
lost a fish, setting the hook an extra time or two might have helped. In
most cases, it wouldn't have mattered one way or another, and in some cases
it's more likely to rip the hook free or increase the size of the hole in
the lip than it is to bury a hook that's not set past the barb.

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I definitely agree about multiple hook sets. I just use the sharpest hooks
I possibly can and that gives me the confidence that when I stick them, I
got them. There are incidents where I lose fish, we all do, but there are
so many variables that it could be and I do pay attention to the reason I
lost the fish, but I quickly move on and if it was something I did I do my
best to change it.

Just my 2 cents.

Chris
"RichZ" wrote in message
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Go-bassn wrote:
What is a "beaked" hook?

Where the tip points slightly back toward the shank.

I can think of a whole bunch of timers I wish I'd set the hook a second
time but didn't.

I can't think of one. Don't make the mistake of assuming just because you
lost a fish, setting the hook an extra time or two might have helped. In
most cases, it wouldn't have mattered one way or another, and in some
cases
it's more likely to rip the hook free or increase the size of the hole in
the lip than it is to bury a hook that's not set past the barb.

RichZ©
www.richz.com/fishing

Looks like the fish I caught yesterday, using that same dam hook
"RichZ" wrote in message
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Because too often, they grab the tiniest bite before the beak leads the
point back out of the skin/meat whatever, and you end up with a very
precariously hooked fish.

Of course this photo could also be used to illustrate why I NEVER use
multiple hooksets. No way you know if the first set it something like
this,
in which case the 2nd set is 99% sure to just rip it free.

http://www.richz.com/fishing/images/no_beaks_for_me.jpg

RichZ©
www.richz.com/fishing

Yea but what about the times when you instantly say (before loosing the
fish) to yourself "damn, I don't think I got all of that one..."

Warren

"Eric Dreher" wrote in message
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On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 08:08:47 -0500, "Chris Rennert"
wrote:

I definitely agree about multiple hook sets. I just use the sharpest
hooks
I possibly can and that gives me the confidence that when I stick them, I
got them.

I can only think of three or four time that I "double-set" the hook.
Each time resulted in a lost fish.

As you, Chris, I just trust in a good hook...Gamakatsu, and replace
'em when they're worn out or bent for any reason.


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and deeper into deficit." - John Edwards

Yea but what about the times when you instantly say (before loosing the
fish) to yourself "damn, I don't think I got all of that one..."

Warren

"Eric Dreher" wrote in message
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On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 08:08:47 -0500, "Chris Rennert"
wrote:

I definitely agree about multiple hook sets. I just use the sharpest
hooks
I possibly can and that gives me the confidence that when I stick them, I
got them.

I can only think of three or four time that I "double-set" the hook.
Each time resulted in a lost fish.

As you, Chris, I just trust in a good hook...Gamakatsu, and replace
'em when they're worn out or bent for any reason.


----------------------------------------------
"Kerry's policies would run the country deeper
and deeper into deficit." - John Edwards

Warren,

You got me going on this area a bit with your help when I was trying to
refine my Wacky Wormin'. I am learning a bit about it now as I refine my
crank bait techniques.

I have to say after barely getting a couple fish in the boat that were
hooked through light tissue or only skin hooked I doubt you could convince
me to go for a double hookset. Yes I did try a second hookset on a bass the
other day, after I had two or three come off on me. It didn't seem to make
any difference. My thought is to go with as wide a gap hook as you feel the
bait can support, and stay with ultra sharp (brand name not withstanding)
high quality hooks. It was after that I had the accidental revelation that
I was using the wrong rod for the job.

I still have some issue to resolve for some baits, but I'm working on it.

For any bait that uses a small light hook I would have to say that an ultra
sharp hook on a lighter slower rod would be the way to go. I am going to
dig a couple medium / medium or medium slow rods out of the stuff I had put
away for drop shots, crank baits, and topwater. All of my crank baits have
top quality hooks as do my topwaters. I'll have to rely on the penetration
of a sharp point, but I can't see myself going for a second hookset again.

IMHO, its about finding the exact best hook for a particular application,
and using the best rod for the job. Hook set is extremely important for
heavy plastics, but I just don't see myself going for a second hookset. The
only time I could see going for a second hookset is if I never got a first
hook set. Those moments when a fish hits, and you set on it only to feel
slack line as the fish dives towards you.

I defer to your expertise most times, as I have learned quite a lot from
your posts when you choose to be helpful, but the second hookset just
dosen't cut it for me. Certainly not with smaller hooks like that.


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"go-bassn" wrote in message
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Yea but what about the times when you instantly say (before loosing the
fish) to yourself "damn, I don't think I got all of that one..."

Warren

"Eric Dreher" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 08:08:47 -0500, "Chris Rennert"
wrote:

I definitely agree about multiple hook sets. I just use the sharpest
hooks
I possibly can and that gives me the confidence that when I stick them,
I
got them.

I can only think of three or four time that I "double-set" the hook.
Each time resulted in a lost fish.

As you, Chris, I just trust in a good hook...Gamakatsu, and replace
'em when they're worn out or bent for any reason.


----------------------------------------------
"Kerry's policies would run the country deeper
and deeper into deficit." - John Edwards

Bob, I'm not encouraging anyone to use a second set - don't misunderstand
me. I rarely (if ever) do it myself. I was simply stating that there have
been times when, for whatever reason, my initial hookset was not exactly
solid & the result has been a lost bass & a missed opportunity. In the
tournament game we play opportunities simply can't be missed. So I was
saying that there were times when I wished I had applied a second hookset,
not that I make a habit of it...

Warren

"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
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Warren,

You got me going on this area a bit with your help when I was trying to
refine my Wacky Wormin'. I am learning a bit about it now as I refine my
crank bait techniques.

I have to say after barely getting a couple fish in the boat that were
hooked through light tissue or only skin hooked I doubt you could convince
me to go for a double hookset. Yes I did try a second hookset on a bass
the
other day, after I had two or three come off on me. It didn't seem to
make
any difference. My thought is to go with as wide a gap hook as you feel
the
bait can support, and stay with ultra sharp (brand name not withstanding)
high quality hooks. It was after that I had the accidental revelation
that
I was using the wrong rod for the job.

I still have some issue to resolve for some baits, but I'm working on it.

For any bait that uses a small light hook I would have to say that an
ultra
sharp hook on a lighter slower rod would be the way to go. I am going to
dig a couple medium / medium or medium slow rods out of the stuff I had
put
away for drop shots, crank baits, and topwater. All of my crank baits
have
top quality hooks as do my topwaters. I'll have to rely on the
penetration
of a sharp point, but I can't see myself going for a second hookset again.

IMHO, its about finding the exact best hook for a particular application,
and using the best rod for the job. Hook set is extremely important for
heavy plastics, but I just don't see myself going for a second hookset.
The
only time I could see going for a second hookset is if I never got a first
hook set. Those moments when a fish hits, and you set on it only to feel
slack line as the fish dives towards you.

I defer to your expertise most times, as I have learned quite a lot from
your posts when you choose to be helpful, but the second hookset just
dosen't cut it for me. Certainly not with smaller hooks like that.


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"go-bassn" wrote in message
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Yea but what about the times when you instantly say (before loosing the
fish) to yourself "damn, I don't think I got all of that one..."

Warren

"Eric Dreher" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 08:08:47 -0500, "Chris Rennert"
wrote:

I definitely agree about multiple hook sets. I just use the sharpest
hooks
I possibly can and that gives me the confidence that when I stick
them,
I
got them.

I can only think of three or four time that I "double-set" the hook.
Each time resulted in a lost fish.

As you, Chris, I just trust in a good hook...Gamakatsu, and replace
'em when they're worn out or bent for any reason.


----------------------------------------------
"Kerry's policies would run the country deeper
and deeper into deficit." - John Edwards

Hey Rich
That is as thin of a hook position as I have seen. You must be living
right to get that bass to the boat. I generally read your posts with great
interest and have learned a bunch.

We differ on circle hooks.
Beaked hooks work great.....I use gammy size 1 and get great results with a
sweep hookset and firm pressure for abut 10 secs to be sure I have a solid
set. The biggest reason I lose bass( I think) is when they tail grab a
nose hooked bait. I also use 15 lb test floro as a leader for my 14 lb test
fireline.

One point we agree on is that the smaller circle hooks can hook a skinny
piece of the basses mouth. That has caused me to move to larger sizes.

I am guessing that the pic was a drop shot bass. I have very little
experience with drop shotting. Do you always use such a small hook?

Steve







"RichZ" wrote in message
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Because too often, they grab the tiniest bite before the beak leads the
point back out of the skin/meat whatever, and you end up with a very
precariously hooked fish.

Of course this photo could also be used to illustrate why I NEVER use
multiple hooksets. No way you know if the first set it something like
this,
in which case the 2nd set is 99% sure to just rip it free.

http://www.richz.com/fishing/images/no_beaks_for_me.jpg

RichZ©
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