What is this knot called?

"Mark W. Oots" mark_ctc@(no spam)ameritech.net wrote in message
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"Lionel F. Stevenson" wrote in message
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I haven't seen this knot anywhere. It was shown to me by a Salmon
fisherman.
It is tied so the knot is on the underside of a down turned eye, and on
the
top of an upturned eye.
http://www.cameraart.ca/knot.html
-- Lionel

I call it "way more complicated than it needs to be".

Mark


Okay, maye I've been away for a while...who are you oots?

john

I think you are referring to the turle knot...

http://www.flyfishingconnection.com/doubleturtle.html

JT


.. . . and isn't the purpose of that knot to enable the user to determine
whether the hook rides up or down? ? ?

john

On Wed, 09 Nov 2005 13:55:30 -0700, rw
wrote:

Wolfgang wrote:
"Lionel F. Stevenson" wrote in message
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I haven't seen this knot anywhere. It was shown to me by a Salmon
fisherman.
It is tied so the knot is on the underside of a down turned eye, and on
the
top of an upturned eye.
http://www.cameraart.ca/knot.html
-- Lionel


No idea what this is. However, it looks mighty peculiar. According to the
illustration, the line passes through the eye of the hook from left to right
and then makes a sweeping bend back to the left. The rest of the gyrations
cause the working end to cross the original running line a total of five
times, but ALL of these crosses occur above the running line.....NONE of
them below. The net result of this is that the original bend is not
involved in the knot in any way. The knot.....whatever it may be called and
whatever use it may allegedly serve.....appears to be nothing more than a
large and needlessly complicated stopper.

Like Jeff Taylor posted, it's a double turle, but it's very poorly
illustrated. Jeff posted a better link, and here's another.

http://www.pechetruite.com/Noeuds/hook6.htm

It's not a "stopper." The knot forms a loop (two loops, actually) that
secures to the shank of the hook just behind the eye.

I suspect that Lionel was attempting to illustrate a Double Turle. What
he did illustrate is not a Double Turle.

On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 04:21:26 GMT, "asadi"
wrote:



I think you are referring to the turle knot...

http://www.flyfishingconnection.com/doubleturtle.html

JT


. . . and isn't the purpose of that knot to enable the user to determine
whether the hook rides up or down? ? ?

john


To put an in-line force from the line to the shank of up- or down-turned
eye hooks, thus making hookup more certain.

R

LOL. I just tied it as illustrated in a piece of rope: what a
cluster****!! The last small loop tightens on the larger loops so
quickly that the first larger loop cannot slide through, and the whole
thing binds up before it can tighten. And wolfie's right: the original
bend has nothing to do with anything. This definately falls into the
category of "If you can't tie a good knot, tie a lot of knots".

I bet he is referring to a Turle know, as was stated before.

--riverman

asadi wrote:

"Conan The Librarian" wrote in message
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Looks like a Gordian knot to me.

Is this the knot that Alexander cut with his sword???

Yep, that's it. I was starting to wonder if my attempt at humor had
gone right over everyone's head.


Chuck Vance (but I should have known that nothing could go over
your head, John ;-)

in article ,
at wrote on 11/10/05 1:05 AM:

On Wed, 09 Nov 2005 13:55:30 -0700, rw
wrote:

Wolfgang wrote:
"Lionel F. Stevenson" wrote in message
...

I haven't seen this knot anywhere. It was shown to me by a Salmon
fisherman.
It is tied so the knot is on the underside of a down turned eye, and on
the
top of an upturned eye.
http://www.cameraart.ca/knot.html
-- Lionel


No idea what this is. However, it looks mighty peculiar. According to the
illustration, the line passes through the eye of the hook from left to right
and then makes a sweeping bend back to the left. The rest of the gyrations
cause the working end to cross the original running line a total of five
times, but ALL of these crosses occur above the running line.....NONE of
them below. The net result of this is that the original bend is not
involved in the knot in any way. The knot.....whatever it may be called and
whatever use it may allegedly serve.....appears to be nothing more than a
large and needlessly complicated stopper.

Like Jeff Taylor posted, it's a double turle, but it's very poorly
illustrated. Jeff posted a better link, and here's another.

http://www.pechetruite.com/Noeuds/hook6.htm

It's not a "stopper." The knot forms a loop (two loops, actually) that
secures to the shank of the hook just behind the eye.

I suspect that Lionel was attempting to illustrate a Double Turle. What
he did illustrate is not a Double Turle.

It is not a double turle.
It is, however, a great knot, and I use it to tie fly to tippet almost
always.
Perhaps my illustration is at fault. Perhaps I'll do another illustration to
share this great knot with you. Perhaps I'll not.

Perhaps this is too trivial for you.


-- Lionel

"Lionel F. Stevenson" wrote

snip...

Perhaps this is too trivial for you.


-- Lionel

Nothing is too trivial for ROFF....

Dan

Lionel F. Stevenson wrote:
snip
It is not a double turle.
It is, however, a great knot, and I use it to tie fly to tippet almost
always.
Perhaps my illustration is at fault. Perhaps I'll do another
illustration to share this great knot with you. Perhaps I'll not.

Perhaps this is too trivial for you.

??? We *live* for this!
--
TL,
Tim
---------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj/

Are you SURE the diagram is completely correct? As Wolfie politely put
it (trust me), that initial bend is meaningless, as the entire pile of
loops lies on top of it so it is not bound up in the knot. Also, the
last loop (the little one on top) is not an overhand, its just two
twists through the big loops. The way you drew it, it looks like you
mean for it to be an overhand.

Double-check your diagram. I can't see how this is any more than a
fancy double-overhand stopper, the way its shown. With lots of extra
twists that fall out immediately.

--riverman