What is this knot called?

On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 13:56:03 GMT, "Lionel F. Stevenson"
wrote:

I suspect that Lionel was attempting to illustrate a Double Turle. What
he did illustrate is not a Double Turle.

It is not a double turle.

Hence my statement above regarding, ahem, it not being a Double Turle...

It is, however, a great knot, and I use it to tie fly to tippet almost
always.

"..almost always..." Gracie? And staples to connect your backing to
your reel?

Assuming this knot to actually be a workable force-directing knot,
unless the "almost always" is that you "almost always" only fish where
one would appropriately use up- or downturned eye hooks and match the
two usages, you might wish to rethink this move...perhaps not...

Perhaps my illustration is at fault.

Yeah, perhaps...perhaps the knot just sucks...

Perhaps I'll do another illustration to
share this great knot with you. Perhaps I'll not.

It isn't a "great knot," properly illustrated or otherwise, and you
could assemble the finest team of knot-illustrators to "share it" with
me, but you'll be wasting your time as I'll not bother to learn it.
Assuming it gets some new (and accurate) wonder illustration, it will be
(at best) yet another knot with which nobody really needs to bother.
Turle knots and similar are a group of specific-purpose knots that solve
a particular "problem." Learning myriad similar knots that are of no
real-world practical advantage over one another offers nothing to
fishers, sailors, riggers, loaders, or other practical knot users.
Knotheads OTOH...

Perhaps this is too trivial for you.

With regard to arguing about it, no perhaps about it...

HTH,
R

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On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 13:56:03 GMT, "Lionel F. Stevenson"
wrote:

I suspect that Lionel was attempting to illustrate a Double Turle. What
he did illustrate is not a Double Turle.

It is not a double turle.

Hence my statement above regarding, ahem, it not being a Double Turle...

It is, however, a great knot, and I use it to tie fly to tippet almost
always.

"..almost always..." Gracie? And staples to connect your backing to
your reel?

Assuming this knot to actually be a workable force-directing knot,
unless the "almost always" is that you "almost always" only fish where
one would appropriately use up- or downturned eye hooks and match the
two usages, you might wish to rethink this move...perhaps not...

Perhaps my illustration is at fault.

Yeah, perhaps...perhaps the knot just sucks...

Perhaps I'll do another illustration to
share this great knot with you. Perhaps I'll not.

It isn't a "great knot," properly illustrated or otherwise, and you
could assemble the finest team of knot-illustrators to "share it" with
me, but you'll be wasting your time as I'll not bother to learn it.
Assuming it gets some new (and accurate) wonder illustration, it will be
(at best) yet another knot with which nobody really needs to bother.
Turle knots and similar are a group of specific-purpose knots that solve
a particular "problem." Learning myriad similar knots that are of no
real-world practical advantage over one another offers nothing to
fishers, sailors, riggers, loaders, or other practical knot users.
Knotheads OTOH...

Perhaps this is too trivial for you.

With regard to arguing about it, no perhaps about it...

HTH,
R

BYE.
-- Lionel

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Meanwhile......

Whatever.


Whatever?

Double turle. Whatever.


Whatever?

Double turle. Sama sama.

Lionel says, "It is not a double turle."

I wish you the best of luck in convincing him.

Wolfgang

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Meanwhile......

Whatever.


Whatever?

Double turle. Whatever.


Whatever?

Double turle. Sama sama.


Lionel says, "It is not a double turle."

I wish you the best of luck in convincing him.

Wolfgang



Machts nicht. Que sera sera. Whatever. Chill, dude.

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Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

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Meanwhile......

Whatever.


Whatever?

Double turle. Whatever.


Whatever?

Double turle. Sama sama.


Lionel says, "It is not a double turle."

I wish you the best of luck in convincing him.

Wolfgang

Machts nicht. Que sera sera. Whatever. Chill, dude.

Hee, hee, hee.

Wolfgang
who would bet a shiny new nickel they can hear the teeth grinding all the
way to the right coast.

On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 15:58:03 GMT, "Lionel F. Stevenson"
wrote:


BYE.
-- Lionel

Sell.
-- R

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riverman wrote:

it (trust me), that initial bend is meaningless, as the entire pile of

Looks so to me, too....but did you take the two bigger loops and
place them over the fly? That part is not on the diagram but is in
the directions. (I think -- it's not available anymore)

Double-check your diagram. I can't see how this is any more than a
fancy double-overhand stopper, the way its shown.

If you place the loops over the fly and snug it down like a
Turle?

I just tried to go back and take another look at the diagram. Apparently it
isn't available any more either.

At any rate, trying to determine what might result from various
manipulations of what was depicted there might be an interesting exercise in
topological visualization, but unless someone tries it with real line of
some sort and then shows a step by step representation along with the
original it's gonna be a tough sell.

Wolfgang
who knows that a drawing of a straight piece of string passing through the
eye of a fish hook is indeed an accurate depiction of a turle knot.......in
it's infancy.

On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 06:44:42 -0600, Conan The Librarian
wrote:

asadi wrote:

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Looks like a Gordian knot to me.

Is this the knot that Alexander cut with his sword???

Yep, that's it. I was starting to wonder if my attempt at humor had
gone right over everyone's head.

One of those things where the comment was so accurate that nobody said
anything? And then it led to the thoughts of what kind of knots the
snakes of the Gorgon could have tied...

Chuck Vance (but I should have known that nothing could go over
your head, John ;-)


Cyli
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On 10 Nov 2005 20:10:38 GMT, (Jonathan Cook) wrote:

rw wrote:

Machts nicht. Que sera sera. Whatever. Chill, dude.

What language is that last one in?

Jon.

Italian? Big hit of a song back in the 50s or 60s. Before rock 'n
roll took over the charts. If I recall aright, it means "What will
be, will be."

Cyli
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Often taunted by trout. Almost entirely harmless.

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On 10 Nov 2005 20:10:38 GMT, (Jonathan Cook) wrote:

rw wrote:

Machts nicht. Que sera sera. Whatever. Chill, dude.

What language is that last one in?

Jon.

Italian? Big hit of a song back in the 50s or 60s. Before rock 'n
roll took over the charts. If I recall aright, it means "What will
be, will be."

Uh. . . I think Jon meant the "Chill, dude" part.
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TL,
Tim
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