Czech Nymphing

there was quite a discussion on this on a regional board. It seems to be the
latest "cool" thing. It uses a heavily weighted fly a long rod, a light line
( #2 lines on a #6 10' rod are typical) and a length of light non-tapered
leader. Casts are short.

here's a "primer": http://www.fishandfly.co.uk/tledit0500a.html

Jiri Klima the supposed "originator" of the technique offers courses on it
in the Czech Repuplic fr $500 a pop
Often not mentioned is that the "technique" involves wading as close as
possible to fish lies and wading the entire stream a la the San Juan
shuffle. This part of Czech Nymphing is being criticized by some in Europe
as it is potentially harmful to stream environments.


"Fiddleaway" wrote in message
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Anyone here tried it? A guide on the Kern river introduced it to me and
it
seemed to work pretty well...while he watched. When I tried it on my own
at the Owens all I did was get hung up and lose gear. It's kind of the
antithesis of the dead drift - you literally drag a heavily weighted,
3-fly
rig along the bottom.

Anyone out there done this and have any tips they'd like to share?
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-dnc-

Sounds a lot like the way I nymph, with a heavily weighted
bonefish fly and a smaller unweighted one.

When it's windy I put the heavy fly at the end.
When it's not blowing boats out of the water, I put
the itty bitty fly out at the end.

An extra-big barbell Crazy Charlie gets the little one
down. At the end of the day, the little nymph will out
catch the big one in terms of numbers. But the 2-3 biggest
fish of the day will (almost) always be taken
by the bonefish fly.

I started doing that on the North Platte in Wyoming.
But it works everywhere. Especially on large tail water
rivers: Big Horn, Missouri, North Platte, etc.

On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 20:06:51 GMT, "Shining Path Gorilla"
wrote:

Often not mentioned is that the "technique" involves wading as close as
possible to fish lies and wading the entire stream a la the San Juan
shuffle. This part of Czech Nymphing is being criticized by some in Europe
as it is potentially harmful to stream environments.

Well, since you only cast 10 - 15 feet, you *have* to get close to the
fish. However, I have never seen a nympher using this method and use
the San Juan Shuffle, *except* on the San Juan and the Big Horn. I
saw nymphers on a sand bar on the Big Horn take turns doing the
shuffle, with their partner....errrr...... friend down-stream from the
shuffle point. I wade the entire stream, but I don't do the shuffle.
Besides, the shuffle will do no good if you are fishing up-stream from
your feet.

Dave

"Wayne Harrison" wrote in message
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"JR" wrote

It most resembles short-line, high-stick nymphing, EXCEPT that you don't
really raise the rod that high (because you don't have that much line
out). It is really only well suited to particular types of water:
smaller, riffly, fairly fast high-gradient streams. For that kind of
water, though, it's a killer technique.
hmm... sounds like i should give it a try this spring in the smokies.
would a longer rod (8-9') be preferred to our typical 7-7.5 dry fly rigs?

yfitons
wayno
A longer rod will be much better for high sticking but the over hanging
bushes and creek side rododems should be consider.ed.
The real problems is getting in and out of the stream , JR do you aim
rod ahead between brush or reverse rod and lead with butt?
JR and Wayno please send me you mailing adress
By the way Wayno you have to admire Redddick admitting Dulke was defeatedd
better athelitcs.
Will njow try spell check
Just plain joe

Joe McIntosh wrote:
The real problem is getting in and out of the stream , JR do you aim
rod ahead between brush or reverse rod and lead with butt?

ARGHHH! Joe, do you have ESP or something?????

Used to be, sometimes I'd do one, sometimes the other, with mixed success.

BUT.... the other day, I parked at what I thought would be a new and
improved parking spot on a favorite river, then had to walk a new way to
get to the water. A way that turned out to have no good path and a lot
of undergrowth. I turned the rod around and led with the butt..... and
had to pull the rod through a couple of particularly tangly spots.....
and got to the river with the bottom three sections of a 4-piece rod.

Tried to retrace the route..... (hopeless).

Fortunately, I had a cheapo back-up rod in my truck so I did manage to fish.

But my rule *from now on* in that kind of country is going to be to
carry my rod broken down in its rod sack and assemble and rig it only
once I get to the water.

BTW, although Sage will repair a broken RPL tip for free, it charges $71
to replace lost tips. (In my case, a stupidity tax I richly deserve to
have to pay....)

I turned the rod around and led with the butt..... and
had to pull the rod through a couple of particularly tangly spots.....
and got to the river with the bottom three sections of a 4-piece rod.

I had the same experience with a new rod the FIRST time I took it
fishing, John. Over on White Deer Creek.

BTW, although Sage will repair a broken RPL tip for free, it charges $71
to replace lost tips.

Mine was a Cabela's Three Forks that I bought on sale ($39) after
reading a flurry of favorable postings about it in ROFF. When I phoned
Cabelas to buy a replacement tip, the saleslady said "It shouldn't
have come apart like that; we'll send you a new rod."

I said "No, it's only a friction fit; it's my fault. I shouldn't have
carried it that way."

She wouldn't listen. "Put it in the container it came in. On Monday,
a UPS man will come by and pick it up, and we'll send you a new rod."

Hard to hate a company like that! ((:-))

vince

Frank Reid wrote
The Kern in California? Fun water. Used to whitewater raft it all the
time. Got my partner hooked on fly fishing on that river.

That's where Grandpa first taught me to fish.

If you just want to haul out fish all day, its very cool.

Hauling fish out all day has only happened to me once in my life, on the
Tsiu in Alaska fishing for Silvers. It was very cool. Course I don't need
numbers to have a good day ... just one more than my fishin' buddy ;-)
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-dnc-

Shining Path Gorilla wrote

...there was quite a discussion on this on a regional board..

...here's a "primer": http://www.fishandfly.co.uk/tledit0500a.html

Good ref. Is the regional board in the public domain? In the cited
article, he says,

"Take your first length of mono and attach another length to it using a
Surgeon's knot. The dropper must be on the parent leg and pointing
downwards"

I'm having trouble visualizing what he means ... not sure about the "parent
leg" terminology

Anyone have a ref to a diagram of the whole rig?

Jiri Klima the supposed "originator" of the technique offers courses on
it
in the Czech Repuplic fr $500 a pop

Now that's what I call Czech nymphing!
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-dnc-

On Tue, 28 Mar 2006 10:02:55 -0600, "Fiddleaway"
wrote:

"Take your first length of mono and attach another length to it using a
Surgeon's knot. The dropper must be on the parent leg and pointing
downwards"

A surgeon's knot is going to leave four ends: 1 is your leader or
"first length of mono", the 2nd is the long piece which will be your
tippet, and 3 the tag end of your leader, 4 tag end of your tippet.
If I use this method (and I have and don't like it), I tie the
dropper on the tag end of the leader (first length of mono) which is
"pointing downwards," and parallel to your long pice of tippet
material.

When I nymph, I use only one fly. While Czech nymphing includes three
flies, I find it cumbersome and especially subject to tangles. The
only *good* thing about it is you can "test" two flies. The few times
I have used this method, I have taken fish off of one of the droppers.
At that point I re-rig and use only the fly that the fish are
attracted to. Works well for me.

Dave

Dave LaCourse wrote in article

Yep, except the true Czech nympher uses three flies and no weight. He
gets the three flies down by using a heavily weighted fly in the
middle, while the other two are unweighted. I find that method
cumbersome, at best, and tried to advise the man to use but one nymph.

Yeah - the 3 nymph method - especially any directions or techniques for
tying. The weighted center fly (as opposed to lead) looks like a good
alternative ... less hardware to snag ... but we're talking a hefty fly
here to substitute for 3 BB's (which is the approximate weight we needed
for the Kern's flow rate) ... I do remember that flies are tied off the
tag ends of the surgeon's knots used to connect the sections of the rig.
The whole rig's kind of time-consuming for me to tie ... it almost seems
like you'd want to make up a couple in advance for when you eventually lose
a whole rig on a bottom snag.

Instead of using the tag ends of a surgeon's knot to set the flies out from
the main leader, I wonder if there is a knot to tie in an auxilliary tag
that can be trimmed to the desired length ... would help if one of the tags
gets too short after changing or losing a fly.
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-dnc-