bear attack in Alaska

"rw" wrote in message
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Warning: There's seriously gruesome photo in this article.

http://mountainsurvival.com/news_art...earattack.html

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There is another reason to doubt the truthfulness of picture #3. Alaskan
Browns have this funny habit of burying their kills for a few days to
ferment the meat and then circling around their territory and coming back
3-4 days later after it's cooked to taste. ( See Bear Spray recipe.) I have
run across numerous mounds over the years with moose calves and smaller
adult moose in them.

This hiker actually looks more like what would be expcted of a wolf attack,
(not to cross threads here), or immature brown, unless the photo was taken
after rescuers began to prepare him for removal.


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Ric Hamel
A misplaced Alaskan lost in ConUS

On Sat, 24 Jun 2006 03:25:07 GMT, "Alaskan420"
wrote:

This hiker actually looks more like what would be expcted of a wolf attack,
(not to cross threads here), or immature brown, unless the photo was taken
after rescuers began to prepare him for removal.

The folks I've talked to about bear in Alaska say that most of what we
see are immature (3 or 4 year olds), and that they can be far more
unpredictable than an aged adult. I don't know whether that's true or
not. We never saw any bear bigger than about 800 pounds (guesstimated
by a knowledgeable guide). Still, something that is almost four times
bigger than me is a little more than I want to hazzle with. d;o(

Alaskan420 wrote:
"rw" wrote in message
k.net...
Warning: There's seriously gruesome photo in this article.

http://mountainsurvival.com/news_art...earattack.html

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

There is another reason to doubt the truthfulness of picture #3. Alaskan
Browns have this funny habit of burying their kills for a few days to
ferment the meat and then circling around their territory and coming back
3-4 days later after it's cooked to taste. ( See Bear Spray recipe.) I have
run across numerous mounds over the years with moose calves and smaller
adult moose in them.

This hiker actually looks more like what would be expcted of a wolf attack,
(not to cross threads here), or immature brown, unless the photo was taken
after rescuers began to prepare him for removal.

Hm.......

Exactly how many wolf-chewed human carcasses have you seen?

Wolfgang

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Alaskan420 wrote:
"rw" wrote in message
k.net...
Warning: There's seriously gruesome photo in this article.

http://mountainsurvival.com/news_art...earattack.html

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

There is another reason to doubt the truthfulness of picture #3.
Alaskan
Browns have this funny habit of burying their kills for a few days to
ferment the meat and then circling around their territory and coming
back
3-4 days later after it's cooked to taste. ( See Bear Spray recipe.) I
have
run across numerous mounds over the years with moose calves and smaller
adult moose in them.

This hiker actually looks more like what would be expcted of a wolf
attack,
(not to cross threads here), or immature brown, unless the photo was
taken
after rescuers began to prepare him for removal.

Hm.......

Exactly how many wolf-chewed human carcasses have you seen?

Wolfgang


Hm.......

I'm not certain why the quantity of observations is relevant unless of
course it took you several attempts at observing a rainbow and a catfish
side by side to be able to tell the difference, but seeing as you asked...

That photo would be the 3rd human. However, the source of the meal, (human
or otherwise), has very little to do with how they attack and devour. I
have seen several dozen moose and caribou that had been killed. Bears and
wolves have very distinct methods of killing and eating that leave obvious
evidence indicating the attacker.

Your sarcasm is appreciated though. Always good for a chuckle.


--
Ric Hamel
A misplaced Alaskan lost in ConUS

"Alaskan420" wrote:
"Wolfgang" wrote:
Hm.......

Exactly how many wolf-chewed human carcasses have you seen?

Wolfgang


Hm.......

I'm not certain why the quantity of observations is relevant unless of

Wolves don't chew humans... The quantity of known observations
is zero.

That photo would be the 3rd human. However, the source of the meal, (human
or otherwise), has very little to do with how they attack and devour. I
have seen several dozen moose and caribou that had been killed. Bears and
wolves have very distinct methods of killing and eating that leave obvious
evidence indicating the attacker.

Usually tracks and scat are the only way to know. Certainly
that picture give no clue at all.

--
Floyd L. Davidson http://www.apaflo.com/floyd_davidson
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska)

Alaskan420 wrote:
"Wolfgang" wrote in message
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Exactly how many wolf-chewed human carcasses have you seen?

Wolfgang


Hm.......

I'm not certain why the quantity of observations is relevant unless of
course it took you several attempts at observing a rainbow and a catfish
side by side to be able to tell the difference, but seeing as you asked...

I had to look at quite a few brown trout and brook trout before I could
unfailingly distinguish between them. I never confused a rainbow with
either of them. The differences between any of them and any species of
catfish was a no brainer.

That photo would be the 3rd human. However, the source of the meal, (human
or otherwise), has very little to do with how they attack and devour. I
have seen several dozen moose and caribou that had been killed. Bears and
wolves have very distinct methods of killing and eating that leave obvious
evidence indicating the attacker.

Your sarcasm is appreciated though. Always good for a chuckle.

Sarcasm? The distinctions between wolf kills and bear kills are not
evident to me. Apparently they are to you. I don't suppose that my
curiosity alone will be enough to entice you in to a detailed analysis,
but there must be others as ignorant.....and willing to learn.....as
me. Educate us.......please.

Wolfgang

"Wolfgang" wrote:
Alaskan420 wrote:
Sarcasm? The distinctions between wolf kills and bear kills are not
evident to me. Apparently they are to you. I don't suppose that my
curiosity alone will be enough to entice you in to a detailed analysis,
but there must be others as ignorant.....and willing to learn.....as
me. Educate us.......please.

It should be really easy to distinguish between a bear kill and
a wolf kill, don't you think?

There would be bear scat all over the place, and it is either
berries, salmon, or human remains.

Or there would be wolf scat all over the place, and that of
course would be filled with hairs and bones from mice. (See
Mowhat, in the fiction section of your local library.)

[Sarcasm?]

--
Floyd L. Davidson http://www.apaflo.com/floyd_davidson
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska)

Floyd L. Davidson wrote:

It should be really easy to distinguish between a bear kill and
a wolf kill, don't you think?

It might be under certain cirucmstances (like, for instance, if wolves
killed people, that would be a good start) but, no, generally speaking,
I can't see any reason to think so.

There would be bear scat all over the place, and it is either
berries, salmon, or human remains.

Or there would be wolf scat all over the place, and that of
course would be filled with hairs and bones from mice. (See
Mowhat, in the fiction section of your local library.)

I'm going to guess that there is enough overlap in the diets of bears
and wolves that there is a great deal of room for error. Besides, is
there any good reason to suppose that either would necessarily shy from
partaking og the other's leftovers?

It's been a long time now, but up until the eraly 90s or so, I'd read
pretty much evereything that Mowat had published for the the general
reader. I'm afraid that's just not good enough for a definitive answer
to this conundrum.

[Sarcasm?]

Well, it DOES happen here from time to time.

Wolfgang

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Floyd L. Davidson http://www.apaflo.com/floyd_davidson
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska)

"Alaskan420" wrote:
"rw" wrote in message
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Warning: There's seriously gruesome photo in this article.

http://mountainsurvival.com/news_art...earattack.html

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Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

There is another reason to doubt the truthfulness of picture #3.

The only truth that lacked in the picture/story was the
implication that there was a connection between the description
and pictures in the first part of the story with that particular
body.

I have no reason to doubt that picture #3 was in fact the
remains of someone eaten by a bear. It could be that something
else ate him, but there is nothing to suggest it wasn't a bear.
(The problem is that we don't know if that was even in Alaska,
much less do we really know what happened to it.)

Alaskan
Browns have this funny habit of burying their kills for a few days to
ferment the meat and then circling around their territory and coming back
3-4 days later after it's cooked to taste. ( See Bear Spray recipe.) I have
run across numerous mounds over the years with moose calves and smaller
adult moose in them.

But that is *only* after they eat as much as they can to begin
with, and when the bear wants to come back and eat more.
Commonly they do that with moose, and commonly they *don't* do
that with humans. (Note that the remains of Timothy Treadwell
and his companion were not buried either, if I remember right.)

This hiker actually looks more like what would be expcted of a wolf attack,

I've read your other posts, and thought until this one that you
seemed to have a pretty good perspective. However, that
statement is hilarious!

Nobody in North America has *ever* found a human that was eaten
by wolves, so it is pretty difficult to know what one would look
like.

(not to cross threads here), or immature brown, unless the photo was taken
after rescuers began to prepare him for removal.

It looks just like what one would expect if a bear ate it.
Could be a brown bear or a black bear too. Off hand I can't
think of anything else likely to do that.

--
Floyd L. Davidson http://www.apaflo.com/floyd_davidson
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska)

Floyd L. Davidson wrote:
Alaskan
Browns have this funny habit of burying their kills for a few days to
ferment the meat and then circling around their territory and coming back
3-4 days later after it's cooked to taste. ( See Bear Spray recipe.) I have
run across numerous mounds over the years with moose calves and smaller
adult moose in them.

But that is *only* after they eat as much as they can to begin
with, and when the bear wants to come back and eat more.
Commonly they do that with moose, and commonly they *don't* do
that with humans. (Note that the remains of Timothy Treadwell
and his companion were not buried either, if I remember right.)

In the summer of '98 there were two grizzly attacks near Pincher Creek
when I fished the Crowsnest area of Alberta, one accidental when a
hiker blundered between sow and cub, and the other predatory on a fly
fisherman: the bear killed and buried him, it was not released whether
or not it snacked first.

Nobody in North America has *ever* found a human that was eaten
by wolves, so it is pretty difficult to know what one would look
like.

There have been disturbing attacks, which the Saskachewan Government
will not verify, by junkyard dog type wolves that have lost their fear
of humans. They may have had a snack but the RCMP has not verified it
as far as I know; FS wrote an article that implied they did.

http://www.outdoorlife.com/outdoor/p...168298,00.html

I figure that once anyone figures they are an expert on wolves, bears,
etc., the odds rise that they will get their ass in trouble.