On track for a 2020 ban on sportsfishing?

Tom Littleton wrote:
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As I have already documented, starting with the state parks.

http://www.animalrights.net/archives...02/000019.html
http://www.mosportsmen.com/fishing/fishnews2.htm
http://www.consumerfreedom.com/news_.../headline/1129

Your pal,

TBone
Guilt replaced the creel.


how does "Peta has requested....." translate into anything, Tim?? I mean, I
would like Pennsylvania to give me a 2% cut from the upcoming slot machine
parlors, and could put that request to the Governor, but I doubt anything
will come of it. Twenty loons sending a petition is similar in impact. As
was stated, show us any sign of progress since you first posted this
hypothesis......
Tom

With all due respect, the question RalphH asked was what strategy was
PETA going to follow. I provided a very clear answer with the links
that showed the strategy in the form of incrementalism, starting with
State Parks. The links are clear regarding this intent, if not
immediate success with the tactic, a claim I did not make. Fact is,
fishing is banned more and more in wetlands and wildlife and waterfowl
sanctuaries etc. It is closed at Hanging Lake in colorado as
'incompatible with the harmony' and, it would not suprise me to see it
banned in city and state parks as the first cut.

Your pal,

Tim

wrote in message
With all due respect, the question RalphH asked was what strategy was
PETA going to follow. I provided a very clear answer with the links
that showed the strategy in the form of incrementalism, starting with
State Parks. The links are clear regarding this intent, if not
immediate success with the tactic, a claim I did not make. Fact is,
fishing is banned more and more in wetlands and wildlife and waterfowl
sanctuaries etc. It is closed at Hanging Lake in colorado as
'incompatible with the harmony' and, it would not suprise me to see it
banned in city and state parks as the first cut.

Your pal,

Tim

Still, you made the claim that by 2020, we would see a "ban on
sportfishing", and I see little, if any real traction on that front. I don't
fear banning or limiting activities in wildlife refuges as a threat.
Frankly, if one can accept streams regulated for fishing, one should accept
other areas(even streams) regulated towards other aims.
Tom

With all due respect, the question RalphH asked was what strategy was
PETA going to follow....

that wasn't my question at all ... I asked you:

"how do you see this ban progressing? Given that
many states (and the Province in Canada I live in) have legislation
guaranteeing the right to fish, what political jurisdictions do you think
will be the bell weather locations for the progression of the ban? Can you
name one jurisdiction where such a ban has had serious political momentum"

I didn't mention PETA at all.

cheers

RalphH wrote:
With all due respect, the question RalphH asked was what strategy was
PETA going to follow....
that wasn't my question at all ... I asked you:
"how do you see this ban progressing? Given that
many states (and the Province in Canada I live in) have legislation
guaranteeing the right to fish, what political jurisdictions do you think
will be the bell weather locations for the progression of the ban? Can you
name one jurisdiction where such a ban has had serious political momentum"
I didn't mention PETA at all.

I misunderstood your question.

The way I see this progressing is that animal rights interest groups
will have steadily increasing public support and will become more and
more organized. They will go after specific bans and various 'minor'
successes then build on that. This would be coincedent with a
population that is ever more urbanized. I believe that the last census,
for example, saw people retreating from wilderness. The city 'loft'
society, if you will. The tournements and pure catch and release
sportsfishing (modern 'trophy' hunters with no biological reason for
harming fish) will be the initial target, and, perhaps, the last
target. I believe it will be impossible, in the foreseeable future
anyway, that these groups can have the same affect on subsistence or
other management (with sound biological reasons) strategies. We must
always question our relationship with animals and chose an ethical
strategy. I've always felt that pure catch and release offered the
least defense of all the options, it will have to be compromised, IMO.

Good yakkin' with ya Ralph.

Halfordian Golfer

On 27 Jul 2006 18:51:46 -0700, wrote:

RalphH wrote:
With all due respect, the question RalphH asked was what strategy was
PETA going to follow....
that wasn't my question at all ... I asked you:
"how do you see this ban progressing? Given that
many states (and the Province in Canada I live in) have legislation
guaranteeing the right to fish, what political jurisdictions do you think
will be the bell weather locations for the progression of the ban? Can you
name one jurisdiction where such a ban has had serious political momentum"
I didn't mention PETA at all.

I misunderstood your question.

So why not "name one jurisdiction where such a ban has had serious political
momentum"? And how about some 'documentation' that is less than 5 years old.
--
Charlie...
http://www.chocphoto.com

wrote:

The way I see this progressing is that animal rights interest groups
will have steadily increasing public support and will become more and
more organized. They will go after specific bans and various 'minor'
successes then build on that.

You may feel that way, but none of the links you posted support that
claim. If you have any evidence that efforts like those you cited have
been garnering "steadily increasing public support", please do post them.


Chuck Vance

Conan The Librarian wrote:
wrote:

The way I see this progressing is that animal rights interest groups
will have steadily increasing public support and will become more and
more organized. They will go after specific bans and various 'minor'
successes then build on that.

You may feel that way, but none of the links you posted support that
claim. If you have any evidence that efforts like those you cited have
been garnering "steadily increasing public support", please do post them.

http://www.peta.org/feat/annualreview05/numbers.asp

Your pal,

TBone
Greed replaced the sport.

On 28 Jul 2006 15:02:37 -0700, wrote:


Conan The Librarian wrote:
wrote:

The way I see this progressing is that animal rights interest groups
will have steadily increasing public support and will become more and
more organized. They will go after specific bans and various 'minor'
successes then build on that.

You may feel that way, but none of the links you posted support that
claim. If you have any evidence that efforts like those you cited have
been garnering "steadily increasing public support", please do post them.

http://www.peta.org/feat/annualreview05/numbers.asp

Can't be more than a few hundred people in that picture...

/daytripper (another forecast shot to hell ;-)

daytripper wrote:
On 28 Jul 2006 15:02:37 -0700, wrote:


Conan The Librarian wrote:
wrote:

The way I see this progressing is that animal rights interest groups
will have steadily increasing public support and will become more and
more organized. They will go after specific bans and various 'minor'
successes then build on that.

You may feel that way, but none of the links you posted support that
claim. If you have any evidence that efforts like those you cited have
been garnering "steadily increasing public support", please do post them.

http://www.peta.org/feat/annualreview05/numbers.asp

Can't be more than a few hundred people in that picture...

And a LOT of them look like they had bacon for breakfast*.

/daytripper (another forecast shot to hell ;-)

Wolfgang
*often.

wrote:

Conan The Librarian wrote:

You may feel that way, but none of the links you posted support that
claim. If you have any evidence that efforts like those you cited have
been garnering "steadily increasing public support", please do post them.

http://www.peta.org/feat/annualreview05/numbers.asp

And exactly where was the part that showed that the public is
increasingly supporting efforts to end sport-fishing?


Chuck Vance